Scotland Show standard

[clachan 72]

I would like to start a new post,touching on the pionts of a different post.Sorry Den if things got out of hand on your post,and keep up the good work.Although a new post i think the pionts are relevent and i would also like our neighbours(England,Ireland and Wales)to give us their veiws.At a working terrier show we would all agree that all the dogs that attend should be workers.,My first piont is,What is classed as a worker?Is a dog that works 2or3 days a week at rats or rabbits not a working dog?(not everyones cup of tea i know,but a dog can only be put to the prey his owner chooses)So if these dogs are classed as working terriers in their own right,surely they have as much right to attend a working terrier show as anyone? my next piont would be ,dogs that are scared,bashed or broosed are not always workers.I have heard of dogs that are marked up through kennel fights,being stop ended,inexperienced dogs and many other reasons.(many sad and true reasons)I think the piont im making is that if a dog marked its not always a worker.(sometimes but not always) I have known lads that have worked terriers every week,all season with only a few pepper marks and no more.If they had to turn up at a show would they be dismissed due to lack of work?At last i come to conformation.Pure and simple.Should a dog be judged on conformation?Taking into concideration that a dog canot be judged in a ring on working ability,scars or anything related to work.Whats your opinions?Ive asked opinions,but im sure i\ll be slated.Just a foot note, i would take my dogs out in anyones company,and any one that has dug with me or one of my dogs will know.clachan

[reddawn 2,173]

just out of curiosity, did a marked up dog beat ye at a show?/?

[cammy12 176]

just out of curiosity, did a marked up dog beat ye at a show?/?

hahahahhaaaaa

[lurcher2020 285]

Yes the dog that won the champion of champion at kvltc show

[birddog 1,354]

i think the very term 'show' means that its all about how they look on the day ie conformation and condition, like ive said before we can't judge working ability in a park, a worker for me is defined by doing what it's owner requires from it, my buddy keeps a few russels they rat and rabbit every day but only come across a fox every now and then, and i do mean every day even when he comes back from a show he has them out for an hour or two.....they do what he asks they're workers perhaps not to everyones tastes but variety is the spice of life eh. the way i was brought up and taught a foxing terrier should be able to sleep with the pet cat, it was taught at an early age rabbits were not on the agenda and a dog that rioted on bunnies was really frowned upon it was meant to go to ground and find, push into a bolt or stop end then stay till dug to, getting marked up was a rarity they had to push enough to make the fox stick but not so hard that they engaged. i understand there are times, places and occasions where a harder type is needed to finish the job but they are/ were the exception. i have another mate who has for the 20 odd years i've known him kept patterdales / black fells call them what you will and these will tackle anything and are as game as a pebble i think it's a case of horses for courses.....a judge who has kept a particular type / breed / variety of terrier may show a leaning towards his / her favourite but again thats an on the day thing

[haymin 2,465]

All I can say is SO f**k WHO CARES

[haymin 2,465]

All I can say is SO f**k WHO CARES

[haymin 2,465]

All I can say is SO f**k WHO CARES

[Carraghs Gem 1,675]

How about adding a class to shows for ratting/ bushing terriers and then ban dogs entered into the ratting/bushing class from the entered terrier class? Then dogs doing either job will have a chance to win?

[birddog 1,354]

How about adding a class to shows for ratting/ bushing terriers and then ban dogs entered into the ratting/bushing class from the entered terrier class? Then dogs doing either job will have a chance to win?

but the problem arises in the overall, which will include everything.......russels, lakeys, borders, crosses, ratting / bushing, entered etc

[alimac 882]

All I can say is SO f**k WHO CARES

 

What was is you say? Lol

[buda 6]

Its not that when a show pony wins a show u don't here the hunters goin on about it because it's just a day out

 

[lurcher2020 285]

Its not that when a show pony wins a show u don't here the hunters goin on about it because it's just a day out

well put ol boy

[sikastag_1 689]

To be honest I agree with some but not all, I kinda agree with what moo wrote on the last topic as iv said it myself ( don't tell moo a said that) it ain't crufts it's a working dog show a dog should be judged on its ability to do its work and how good a specimen it is of that certain breed also conformation, but at a working dog show mate id expect to see signs of work, a judge can't judge a dog based on scars anybody could hole end a dog or it could be signs of genuine work who knows? Only the owner and that's something that can't be judged although don't know what wall the fuss is about the dog that won the Scottish had a few marks but wouldn't say it was badly scarred. the thing iv never understood and we all know they attend is why people who do not work their dogs and have no intention of working their dogs attend these shows and not crufts, also why people mass produce terriers for 250 a pop when they could get a big husky or a fox terrier or whatever and attend kc shows and sell pups for 4 times that amount if money is how their clocks tick and there is people like that attend these shows we all know it, iv won a show or 2 with a dog and iv knocked back over 20 matings with that dog 20 x 3,4,£500 (I dont know what the going rate for a lining from a show winner is lol) equals a pound or 2 but morals must come first dogs and money don't mix and all these people wanted was a show winning terrier that they could flog pups at daft prices and that something I am strongly against, At the end of the day mate it suppose to be a wee bit of crack to get clubs or hunts money or gamefairs attendees, if you win you win if you loose you loose, I'd never let it upset or annoy me and if I did I'd never attend one again, iv left shows knowing something wasn't right but would never let it bother me. If conformations the be all mate would you agree if a dog doesn't walk the line properly it's movement and conformation can't be judged properly? Me and Linz where having a carry on the other day and she called one of the lurchers ugly, my reply was, HANDSOME IS AS HANDSOME DOES, I think that says it all mate, a dog can have perfect conformation, perfect size good head jacket have the perfect bite and teeth to go with it but if it hasn't got the minerals inside then all it's conformations not worth a f**k. Working ability can't be judged at shows, ability to work can, and if the judge picks your dog then happy days if not, happy days lol one of the things I'd be looking for at a working dog show along with conformation is signs of work.

 

 

[vixen 528]

To be honest I agree with some but not all, I kinda agree with what moo wrote on the last topic as iv said it myself ( don't tell moo a said that) it ain't crufts it's a working dog show a dog should be judged on its ability to do its work and how good a specimen it is of that certain breed also conformation, but at a working dog show mate id expect to see signs of work, a judge can't judge a dog based on scars anybody could hole end a dog or it could be signs of genuine work who knows? Only the owner and that's something that can't be judged although don't know what wall the fuss is about the dog that won the Scottish had a few marks but wouldn't say it was badly scarred. the thing iv never understood and we all know they attend is why people who do not work their dogs and have no intention of working their dogs attend these shows and not crufts, also why people mass produce terriers for 250 a pop when they could get a big husky or a fox terrier or whatever and attend kc shows and sell pups for 4 times that amount if money is how their clocks tick and there is people like that attend these shows we all know it, iv won a show or 2 with a dog and iv knocked back over 20 matings with that dog 20 x 3,4,£500 (I dont know what the going rate for a lining from a show winner is lol) equals a pound or 2 but morals must come first dogs and money don't mix and all these people wanted was a show winning terrier that they could flog pups at daft prices and that something I am strongly against, At the end of the day mate it suppose to be a wee bit of crack to get clubs or hunts money or gamefairs attendees, if you win you win if you loose you loose, I'd never let it upset or annoy me and if I did I'd never attend one again, iv left shows knowing something wasn't right but would never let it bother me. If conformations the be all mate would you agree if a dog doesn't walk the line properly it's movement and conformation can't be judged properly? Me and Linz where having a carry on the other day and she called one of the lurchers ugly, my reply was, HANDSOME IS AS HANDSOME DOES, I think that says it all mate, a dog can have perfect conformation, perfect size good head jacket have the perfect bite and teeth to go with it but if it hasn't got the minerals inside then all it's conformations not worth a f**k. Working ability can't be judged at shows, ability to work can, and if the judge picks your dog then happy days if not, happy days lol one of the things I'd be looking for at a working dog show along with conformation is signs of work.

 

And these signs of work would be??