jigsaw 11,809 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 great stuff !!!!!!!!! i'm gonna sound a bit o a nit picker here but here goes. the design is spot on but it can be improved. just by raising the bedding area off the floor will increase the area of the run and makes washing down much easier keeping the bed area dry.hope you don't mind the alteration R.A.W. IMO you are right to improve on the kennel shown. This is what we all should do, question and challange kennel layouts. Do not accept conventional designs, ask "why is it built like that" or more importantly "what is best for the dog". Google this guys work, not all of his ideas will apply to working terriers (the chew stuff would last about 20 minutes with my dogs) But it shows a different way to look at how animals are housed. Comfortable Quarters for Dogs in Research Institutions - Robert Hubrecht This is just my view at the moment, I could see in another mans yard a way to do it better tomorrow. P3D bad idea having 2 dogs in each kennel ger,lol.Im surprised at you Quote Link to post
p3d 879 Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 great stuff !!!!!!!!! i'm gonna sound a bit o a nit picker here but here goes. the design is spot on but it can be improved. just by raising the bedding area off the floor will increase the area of the run and makes washing down much easier keeping the bed area dry.hope you don't mind the alteration R.A.W. IMO you are right to improve on the kennel shown. This is what we all should do, question and challange kennel layouts. Do not accept conventional designs, ask "why is it built like that" or more importantly "what is best for the dog". Google this guys work, not all of his ideas will apply to working terriers (the chew stuff would last about 20 minutes with my dogs) But it shows a different way to look at how animals are housed. Comfortable Quarters for Dogs in Research Institutions - Robert Hubrecht This is just my view at the moment, I could see in another mans yard a way to do it better tomorrow. P3D bad idea having 2 dogs in each kennel ger,lol.Im surprised at you Thats just the same dog moved around 8 times 1 Quote Link to post
king 11,664 Posted September 21, 2012 Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 (edited) here is a very neat idea i seen a few years back p3d. in the sleeping area of the kennel fit 1 of these in the corner with a black painted lightbulb inside so the dog can lye beside it and get the heat warmth from the bulb but as its painted black it give's of no light at all just heat.it could be sprayed black with car manifold paint.it wont get very hot in the kennel but will help when the temperature drops below minus. http://www.ebay.co.u...54#ht_726wt_952 Edited September 21, 2012 by king 1 Quote Link to post
HGN 150 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Comfortable Quarters for Dogs in Research Institutions - Robert Hubrecht http://expeng.anr.msu.edu/sites/animalwelfare/files/Comfortable_Quarters_(hubrecht_2004).pdf Quote Link to post
moonlighter 1,160 Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 King, why not just use a heat lamp?? Quote Link to post
MuddyPaws! 27 Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 If carlsberg did posts p3d.. 1 Quote Link to post
king 11,664 Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 IMO The concrete slab and drainage is probably the most important part of a trouble free kennel. Stage 01.jpg The slope of the yard should be more than 4 degrees from FRONT to BACK. Stage 02.jpg This is important for the waste to run off easily. Nearly every builder will try to convince you that this is not necessary. They are wrong. They are used to building driveways and footpaths, not animal yards. Build a kerb into the front. Stage 03.jpg And a drain with the same slope into the back of the yard. Stage 04.jpg I prefer an open drain as shown. some people prefer a closed drain. Place an insulated dog box raised 50mm(2") off the yard. Finish with custom made galvanized panels and gate. Again 50mm(2") raised off the yard. The panels have to be made to allow for the slope. The panels that are generally advertised for sale are flat at the bottom. Look at the image, flat panels would allow the dog to get out at the gap created by the slope. Stage 05.jpg A roof area at the front can be added later. useful for. 1. Shelter for the dog to sit out when it is raining. otherwise he is stuck in the house all day. 2. Shelter for the owner to handle the dog standing on the house as a table. i.e cleaning down after working. 3. Shelter the owner and house internal while changing bedding in bad weather. 4. Collects rainwater to flush the yard. 5. External lighting can be mounted underneath. Run the waste back to the front of the yard. In the image it is shown open but it would normally be underground running back towards the house drainage system (Sewage piping). Stage 06.jpg With this arrangement the owner stands at the highest point of the slab at the front. The dog sits out and eats at the front of the yard. It can also sit on top of the house, nearly all dogs will. This maximizes the area and provides a bench for handling. The dog has the choice to crap at the back of the yard. Away from his sitting out position, his house entrance and his food. Not all dogs will do this but you would be surprised how many will. If the rainwater is captured at the front of the yard, it can be used to flush the yard without entering each kennel. It is not difficult to arrange for the flush to tip out when full and return to the original position. It will do this each time it rains. Even if this is not installed, the owner can hose the kennels from the gate back to the drain. Once you get your head around what you want it becomes easier to design the yard that suits you. ATB P3D Just found this post you put on p3d but the pics have gone for some reason. I'm wanting to build some kennels this summer. Do you still have the pics. Cheers king. Quote Link to post
p3d 879 Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 King, Those pics must have gotten deleted. If you PM me an email I can send them on to you. P3D Quote Link to post
king 11,664 Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 King, Those pics must have gotten deleted. If you PM me an email I can send them on to you. P3D Pm sent cheers p3d. Good man. Quote Link to post
Lloyd90 509 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 On 11/09/2012 at 01:00, p3d said: IMO The concrete slab and drainage is probably the most important part of a trouble free kennel. The slope of the yard should be more than 4 degrees from FRONT to BACK. This is important for the waste to run off easily. Nearly every builder will try to convince you that this is not necessary. They are wrong. They are used to building driveways and footpaths, not animal yards. Build a kerb into the front. And a drain with the same slope into the back of the yard. I prefer an open drain as shown. some people prefer a closed drain. Place an insulated dog box raised 50mm(2") off the yard. Finish with custom made galvanized panels and gate. Again 50mm(2") raised off the yard. The panels have to be made to allow for the slope. The panels that are generally advertised for sale are flat at the bottom. Look at the image, flat panels would allow the dog to get out at the gap created by the slope. A roof area at the front can be added later. useful for. 1. Shelter for the dog to sit out when it is raining. otherwise he is stuck in the house all day. 2. Shelter for the owner to handle the dog standing on the house as a table. i.e cleaning down after working. 3. Shelter the owner and house internal while changing bedding in bad weather. 4. Collects rainwater to flush the yard. 5. External lighting can be mounted underneath. Run the waste back to the front of the yard. In the image it is shown open but it would normally be underground running back towards the house drainage system (Sewage piping). With this arrangement the owner stands at the highest point of the slab at the front. The dog sits out and eats at the front of the yard. It can also sit on top of the house, nearly all dogs will. This maximizes the area and provides a bench for handling. The dog has the choice to crap at the back of the yard. Away from his sitting out position, his house entrance and his food. Not all dogs will do this but you would be surprised how many will. If the rainwater is captured at the front of the yard, it can be used to flush the yard without entering each kennel. It is not difficult to arrange for the flush to tip out when full and return to the original position. It will do this each time it rains. Even if this is not installed, the owner can hose the kennels from the gate back to the drain. Once you get your head around what you want it becomes easier to design the yard that suits you. ATB P3D You still got the pictures from this thread mate? pics are no longer showing but sounds a good setup. Quote Link to post
stop.end 4,079 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 10 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: You still got the pictures from this thread mate? pics are no longer showing but sounds a good setup. Unfortunately fella... P3d has passed away... 5 Quote Link to post
Lloyd90 509 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, stop.end said: Unfortunately fella... P3d has passed away... Terrible Anyone else get the pics? Quote Link to post
Flacko 1,732 Posted February 22, 2022 Report Share Posted February 22, 2022 Belated RIP P3d 1 Quote Link to post
Lloyd90 509 Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 On 26/02/2017 at 12:13, king said: On 26/02/2017 at 11:24, p3d said: King, Those pics must have gotten deleted. If you PM me an email I can send them on to you. P3D Pm sent cheers p3d. Good man. Hi King, Do you still have the pics P3D sent you? Tried to send you a PM but says you can’t receive it. Quote Link to post
king 11,664 Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Lloyd90 said: Hi King, Do you still have the pics P3D sent you? Tried to send you a PM but says you can’t receive it. They might be on the laptop mate I will look tonight for you.. I didn't know P3D has passed on..rip mate.. 3 Quote Link to post
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