paulus 26 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 i tried to jump a few grits went badly wrong but you learn more from failure than success ( well its a theory anyway) feck me if only that was true :laugh: but it would mean i would learn lots because i do have a lot of feck ups ive got a whole life times worth :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurche 48 Posted July 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 lol i find it takes a few to learn. in what way did it f**k up did you rectify it in the end and did you have to start from scratch (excuse the pun) again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
henarchchar 64 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 it was as shiny as a brick which is what it looked like i used , never started again just gave it to a tite sod at work Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurche 48 Posted July 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 lol should of started over bet it can be a ballache like.dide you use the wire wool aswell or just work through the grits? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BORDERSCOT 3,816 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 no with enough elbow grease it will go to mirror finnish . its a shame your not coming over with it i have a machine that would surface grind it flat and take it to an even 120 grit finnish , would have saved lots of work and establish a grain to the metal . the wax on the wood is to stop splitting as the wood continues to dry , the cut edge would dihidrate faster and cause warping/splitting . it justs sands away ! it does loom beautiful wood ! will the linisher do the same job? i have bought some 60 and flap paddles for the grinder but have 120 400 800 and 1200 and a sanding block also a buffing wheel that im hoping will be ok ,not sure which grit is on the linisher ,might just give it a quick blast and do the rest by hand. Jesus - it's an old billhook. Why all the fuss - if it's sound and the tang's in good nick just make/buy a new handle and ferrule - file any dinks out and take a stone to it for an edge and if you're gonna use it for work maybe a diamond sharpener. Why does it need all the fuss and a mirror finish - it's taken years to look lke it does - just do the minimum, use it and apreciate it for what it is. I use hedging tools all winter and some almost 100 years old and they've loads of character and they're practical. Do it justice by doing as little as ou need to do to it...ATB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
henarchchar 64 Posted July 23, 2012 Report Share Posted July 23, 2012 (edited) lol should of started over bet it can be a ballache like.dide you use the wire wool aswell or just work through the grits? till i got sick (4 mins ) wire wool, sander ( 3 mins ) brick to finish Edited July 23, 2012 by henarchchar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
midnight 657 Posted July 24, 2012 Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 no with enough elbow grease it will go to mirror finnish . its a shame your not coming over with it i have a machine that would surface grind it flat and take it to an even 120 grit finnish , would have saved lots of work and establish a grain to the metal . the wax on the wood is to stop splitting as the wood continues to dry , the cut edge would dihidrate faster and cause warping/splitting . it justs sands away ! it does loom beautiful wood ! will the linisher do the same job? i have bought some 60 and flap paddles for the grinder but have 120 400 800 and 1200 and a sanding block also a buffing wheel that im hoping will be ok ,not sure which grit is on the linisher ,might just give it a quick blast and do the rest by hand. Jesus - it's an old billhook. Why all the fuss - if it's sound and the tang's in good nick just make/buy a new handle and ferrule - file any dinks out and take a stone to it for an edge and if you're gonna use it for work maybe a diamond sharpener. Why does it need all the fuss and a mirror finish - it's taken years to look lke it does - just do the minimum, use it and apreciate it for what it is. I use hedging tools all winter and some almost 100 years old and they've loads of character and they're practical. Do it justice by doing as little as ou need to do to it...ATB beacause he wants to , and it has sentimental attachment to him ,, f**k me you came in like a bull in a china shop there and missed the point buy about 4 miles !!! he asked me about mirror finnish i answered ! he can do what ever he likes with it ! and from what we have discussed he is useing the revamp as an opertunity to learn about the other skills involved , so why not do it ? have you ever seen a mirror finnish antque bill hook with a beautiful handle ? iv not and id really like to . its an opertunity for him to show that he cares it was his late grandfathers and wanted to see it made to fit himself and look as he wants it to . going back to skiping grades of paper , simple answer is no , unless you use a knife makers linisher with trizact belts , even then you only miss one or two , then head to the 2hp buffer and use the mops and compounds i mentioned before . i sometimes go one more and use autosol on an unstiched mop flat out , it brings out the white in the steel as the japs say ! all the best , matt 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurche 48 Posted July 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2012 as above its sentimental and planning on using the new lease of life as a cleaver i think will learn much and get what i want out of it.not everyone likes to make do! i always like to make the best out of everything and feel this is what i will get a nice new blade out of good quality british made steel. i can buy a handle for a couple of quid but it wont be asthetically pleasing,i aim to get the best and hopefully will make future projects easier also i have the tools to hand so why not ! wouldnt chop my sunday lunch up with a rusty old blade would you? atb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurche 48 Posted July 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 well this is after the first blast on the linisher think it needs a fresh sanding belt didnt go mental with it,taken out most damage to the spine and some of the surface rust not very good pics like not sure how im going to tackle the indent might smooth it out slightly the blade is quite pitted and will need a bit of work to get a smooth finish. got a week off next week so will get more time to get on Quote Link to post Share on other sites
midnight 657 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 looks good . be nice to see that tang lower , maybe 1" lower at the tip . i think it will improve handling and looks . i think thsat indent has to be there for a reason just got to work out what ? id worry it cre3ated a weak spot but 100 years seem to prove that not to be right !! linisher well needs a belt change or more pressure . it should have eat that rust away ! its a good start tho . all the best , matt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurche 48 Posted July 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 more in line with the blade ? yer it needs changing maybe more pressure also ,suppose to be grit which i thought would of cleared it with ease, would it not need heating to change that much ? as you can tell its distorted slightly but shouldnt be noticable once it all same colour Quote Link to post Share on other sites
midnight 657 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 grit is a bit weak . 40 or 60 would be better . the tang can be soft it will do no harm to it . blow torch and a hammer could see that sorted . you could allways water quench it to get some hardness back in there if you felt you needed to . i did draw on a copy of the pic this morning but the computer said no .................... i thick if it was me . i would measure the width from the spine to where the edge begins at the handle end . mark the same distance at the tip and cut the edge back straight , give it a more angular look so loose the round nose and go straight . i wish i could draw it the pc is shit ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurche 48 Posted July 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 something more like this? took me nearly an hour lol .dont really want to change it to much might straighten the handle out though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waz 4,203 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 (edited) I bought a new (english) billhook a few years ago, its got a nice forge hammered finish about it, probably similar to the last photo you posted...Which could be a nice contrast to a mirrored edge. Just an idea. Anyway nice little project. Should imagine it'll be a nice thing to use, especially as it was the grandad's. & probably for the next generation aswell. By the way, if you take of the whale back of the blade you are reducing a fair bit of weight when swinging the billhook, which might make it redundant for its original purpose. Edited July 30, 2012 by GD Waz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lurche 48 Posted July 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 i did wonder about the weight as it feels nice at the moment and its a fair amount of material to lose atb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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