PlasticJock 539 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Bit late bud you every move is monitored your on it and own the best tracking devise that they don't even need a court order to follow , CCTV in ever town city , motorway camera system that can tell the GOVERMENT if you car has passed through reg recognition lol big brother been baby siting for fooooking years and we sat back and let it happen Maybe... Takes them long enough to find terrorists and criminals though... Like I said, the question is how morally corrupt are the police etc? They're still human beings and also citizens; subject to the same crap as the rest of us. If you look at one of the videos I posted on another thread you can see how disillusioned some of them are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Thing is pj I'm not saying we haven't went a bit Ott but I may be wrong but reading your posts you seem to think that the security services are incompetent and the terrorists just a load of thick pakIs. There plenty cells and plots that get busted and we don't know how and in some cases we don't even know about it. I get it you don't lIkevtge idea of being watched and monitored and like i said earlier I hardly think they are interested in you or me. Nothing you can do about it. Well I guess you could leave the country or join those unwashed loonies who target the g8 and smash up cities. Personally I'd water canon those c**ts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Thing is pj I'm not saying we haven't went a bit Ott but I may be wrong but reading your posts you seem to think that the security services are incompetent and the terrorists just a load of thick pakIs. There plenty cells and plots that get busted and we don't know how and in some cases we don't even know about it. I get it you don't lIkevtge idea of being watched and monitored and like i said earlier I hardly think they are interested in you or me. Nothing you can do about it. Well I guess you could leave the country or join those unwashed loonies who target the g8 and smash up cities. Personally I'd water canon those c**ts Sorry scot I was ironing my tin foil hat They are incompetent for the most part, but I absolutely agree with you that most things they do we won't hear about for about 50 years, if at all... Example - Jean Charles de Menezes. Lost because a surveillance operative had popped in an alley to take a piss. Example - 9/11, if you accept what the yanks say, you may not know that for months, even years, the Brits were warning them what was going to happen, and they were either completely incompetent or complicit. Why should I have to leave the country? I was born here, of I'm not hurting anyone else then what's the problem These 'cells', in Britain, for the most part, are brainwashed Muslims who decide to build a bomb. That isn't a cell when compared with the rigid, disciplined IRA structure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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scothunter 12,609 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Wasn't just the Brits who warned them about hijacking planes. A report was sent from the CIA to homeland security as far back as 98 yes in a probability they were complacent. I said you could leave the country cause it does seem to concern you. Well you or me ain't gona stop it. Oh they most certainly are a cell and a well organised funded one. And they have access to far more stuff the ira ever had. Also they have something else going for them that the I ran away brigade never had. The f*****g will to blow them selfs to oblivion in thier pursuit to damage the west: IMO you are way of the mark by underestimating thier commitment and more importantly thier intelligence. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 three rag heads walk into a flying school ecuse me sir can you teach me to fly a plane sir no we dont need to learn how to take off no sir we dont need to learn how to land all reported to the LOCAL POLICE ALL PAST ON TO FBI WHO IN TURN PASSED IT ON TO THE CIA ONLY IN THE US OF A NO CONPIRICY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Wasn't just the Brits who warned them about hijacking planes. A report was sent from the CIA to homeland security as far back as 98 yes in a probability they were complacent. I said you could leave the country cause it does seem to concern you. Well you or me ain't gona stop it. Oh they most certainly are a cell and a well organised funded one. And they have access to far more stuff the ira ever had. Also they have something else going for them that the I ran away brigade never had. The f*****g will to blow them selfs to oblivion in thier pursuit to damage the west: IMO you are way of the mark by underestimating thier commitment and more importantly thier intelligence. Intelligence Their intent stems from religion... Therefore they are the most predictable enemy. 'Its in the name of Jihad!' Yeah cheers for that.... Scot, you obviously watch the news and pay attention to these affairs, so let me ask you a question, on the assumption that you have no military or police training - Based on what you know, and have seen from these terrorists.... Do you think if you were put in a position of power to combat the threat, you could have an effect on their activities? I do So why is it so hard for us to get rid of them? Ever heard that expression 'pissing in the wind'? Billions of pounds into defence and intelligence budgets, all the while the borders are wide open and the government can't even deport Abu Qutada Come on, do you ever wonder what the f**k the powers that be are up to? Must be scratching their arses all day thinking of the next excuse to roll in front of their blatant failures. As I said, IMO either incompetent or complicit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 three rag heads walk into a flying school ecuse me sir can you teach me to fly a plane sir no we dont need to learn how to take off no sir we dont need to learn how to land all reported to the LOCAL POLICE ALL PAST ON TO FBI WHO IN TURN PASSED IT ON TO THE CIA ONLY IN THE US OF A NO CONPIRICY Also the fact they flew Cessnas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Beggars belief that eh. Guess we do sit back on our laurels and think ur won't happen to us. Hence the added paranoia and security measures. Yet some customers still bitch about the extra security at airports. Me id gladly be delayed if it saved me hurtling and going in to the f****n ground like a dart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 If we acted like the waffen ss maybe, but we no longer can do that. We gave rules yes we can bend them but far to many do gooders and whistle blowers out thier. I respect the fact you served over there, but if you honestly think the rag heads you engaged with reptesent the whole of those terrorists then you need to rethink. I'm just glad that the security forces don't share your representation of them. But it's going like the 9/11thread I debated with you months back so I'm gonna bow out now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 BINLADIN worked for the usa gadfi sent many of his family to be educated in the uk we educate and train at sandhurst saudi's. kuwati's, lybiyan's , and many other dubios middle eastern chaps , all on are side at the momemt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxfan 479 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Is the threat that great that it warrants giving up so many civil liberties ? Wouldnt it be better to look at our foriegn policy to see why all the hostility is coming our way. Recent campaigns have been very un-British. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 If we acted like the waffen ss maybe, but we no longer can do that. We gave rules yes we can bend them but far to many do gooders and whistle blowers out thier. I respect the fact you served over there, but if you honestly think the rag heads you engaged with reptesent the whole of those terrorists then you need to rethink. I'm just glad that the security forces don't share your representation of them. But it's going like the 9/11thread I debated with you months back so I'm gonna bow out now. Yes they were very different to 'our' terrorists, fair enough. But the mentality is the same... They're all on jihad, some may feel ok about killing innocents, some may be ok with blowing themselves up. Most tend to drop their arse when it starts getting hairy Just so I'm clear, when I say the security services are incompetent I'm not referring to the brave men and women who put their lives on the line day in day out. I'm referring to most of the senior commanders who seem to be unwilling to put their necks on the line for the sake of keeping their pension. I'll leave it at that then Scot Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PlasticJock 539 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Is the threat that great that it warrants giving up so many civil liberties ? Wouldnt it be better to look at our foriegn policy to see why all the hostility is coming our way. Recent campaigns have been very un-British. Well said, what is the reward of losing our liberty? I can't see any Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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