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5 minutes ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

Breeding from a small gene pool of dogs will give you a smaller gene pool over time which is what you wouldn't want as physical and mental quality will be reduced over time. That's just how breeding works, similar in people. 

Take a total outcross, the number of possible combinations of chromosomes is almost 550 billion (39 multiplied by itself 39 times).putting a brother to a sister would half that,but at the same time you may have inherited the bad genes/faults from both sides and every time you breed the line/cross into itself ,you run the risk of dodgy recessive genes meeting their counterpart..also true for desirable traits though.

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A brother sister mating from which a bitch was again put back to the sire produced this dog. Like the rest of the litter he is bursting with health and vitality and hes slightly bigger than both of hi

What if it doesn't need improving? What if you have everything you want and need in your animals.  I heard a well respected terrierman say if you take a pint of milk and add a spoonful of shite w

my old bitch bred like that she thrived on lots of stick n the stronger the hares the better for her. 

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1 hour ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

Bonny looking dog. 

Genuinely out of interest, why would you breed pups from the same litter? You must have a reason or was that all that you had to breed from? Not having a dig, just interested to know, as inbreeding is still inbreeding and won't add anything if done continually. 

If you have a seriously good dog in your kennel and you want to keep that, then you need to breed in and in. Yes you will get improved stock aswell. We were lucky to have a brother and sister that were equal in work and also came from exceptional parents. 

Do you breed yourself? Have you bred close relatives? Just wondering where you are getting your ideas from.

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5 hours ago, jeemes said:

A brother sister mating from which a bitch was again put back to the sire produced this dog. Like the rest of the litter he is bursting with health and vitality and hes slightly bigger than both of his parents.

A lot of what you hear about inbreeding is just that, hearsay and born out of a lack of experience and knowledge. Ignorance breeds fear.

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it’s got it tongue on the floor just walking 😂 so both brother and sister were that good you needed to breed em together then a pup back to the sire crazy times 😂 

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4 hours ago, Big Ron said:

Got dogs out of 6 generations of 1/2 sister brother and one full sister brother mating ,picture of health and do what they were bred for ,but hey what do people know who keep and breed dogs this way 🤣 it’s not right and not line breeding but inbreeding as the keyboard warriors have said it is 🤣 

make me laugh ron how all these brother sisters are worth breeding from over 6 generations i actually thought you maybe had high standards 😂 

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47 minutes ago, Big Ron said:

👍😅 if you listened to some on here you would expect dogs with 2 heads each litter 🤣

ron i recon your inbred dogs would collapse and not run again if you come down to good land for the night you wouldn’t get 1 hour out em 😂 

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46 minutes ago, jeemes said:

If you have a seriously good dog in your kennel and you want to keep that, then you need to breed in and in. Yes you will get improved stock aswell.

The improvement being 'locking in' certain traits that you decided were desirable, ie physical characteristics etc. I can understand and appreciate that when starting off a line and you have excellent stock, father daughter, mother son will be implemented at some point to keep certain characteristics strong for future generations...but full brother sister imo wouldn't make sense, they would never be as good genetically as either of the parents.

51 minutes ago, jeemes said:

Do you breed yourself? Have you bred close relatives? Just wondering where you are getting your ideas from.

I've only bred cockers in the past, not related but have mates that have bred a few litters of runners. Have worked plenty lurchers some closer bred than others and found that heavily line bred/inbred were more prone to injury and more unsettled in general. Just my experience though. I'm not saying that line breeding shouldn't be done, of course it's necessary at times. But too close too often isn't going to get you better, you need an injection of what initially started off your line to keep it strong. It depends too if when folk start off a line, their actually 'starting' off a line ie first crosses and not using lurcher to lurcher. That would effect too how you would approach breeding techniques imo.

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36 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

ron i recon your inbred dogs would collapse and not run again if you come down to good land for the night you wouldn’t get 1 hour out em 😂 

You can try and bait me as much as you want is it Scott your name ?  I wouldn’t have a run with you because I’ve told you before 1, I don’t keep day time dogs to run your good land , 2 , your not fit enough for a night with me , your a chunky fat monkey and would be blowing out your arse , 3 I think your a prize idiot 🤣 why would I possibly want a night out with you ?  😂   No offence meant here 🤣

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52 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

make me laugh ron how all these brother sisters are worth breeding from over 6 generations i actually thought you maybe had high standards 😂 

I can’t take credit here , but believe me without name dropping they were 

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15 minutes ago, Big Ron said:

You can try and bait me as much as you want is it Scott your name ?  I wouldn’t have a run with you because I’ve told you before 1, I don’t keep day time dogs to run your good land , 2 , your not fit enough for a night with me , your a chunky fat monkey and would be blowing out your arse , 3 I think your a prize idiot 🤣 why would I possibly want a night out with you ?  😂   No offence meant here 🤣

scott my name who told you that someone speaking to king 😂 no one in my town even mates no that’s me first name unless they were in my class at school 😂 

id run the lamp bambi be hilarious 😂 i’d last the night by season don’t worry about that i had a bit a bad luck medication put the pounds on but there’s never been no jack in me them lumps you keep will jack before me 😂 this prize idiots dog would wipe the floor with out you got day or night 😂 

 

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1 minute ago, mC HULL said:

scott my name who told you that someone speaking to king 😂 no one in my town even mates no that’s me first name unless they were in my class at school 😂 

id run the lamp bambi be hilarious 😂 i’d last the night by season don’t worry about that i had a bit a bad luck medication put the pounds on but there’s never been no jack in me them lumps you keep will jack before me 😂 this prize idiots dog would wipe the floor with out you got day or night 😂 

 

So wat does everybody call you ? 😆

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9 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

scott my name who told you that someone speaking to king 😂 no one in my town even mates no that’s me first name unless they were in my class at school 😂 

id run the lamp bambi be hilarious 😂 i’d last the night by season don’t worry about that i had a bit a bad luck medication put the pounds on but there’s never been no jack in me them lumps you keep will jack before me 😂 this prize idiots dog would wipe the floor with out you got day or night 😂 

 

Not hard to find out I know a lot of people , keep talking the talk on here and maybe one day you will walk the walk with the big coursing lads 👍

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