Whippets n hare

[inan 841]

They havent got the stamina for big winter hares...

 

the Whippet Coursing Club must have been wasting their time for 5 decades, should of asked you before they formed

 

The answer is yes they can and yes they do have enough stamina and no they dont catch as many as other sighthounds

 

try watching this to see a whippets stamina

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1_ECiTMUQM

I said they dont have stamina for big winter hare's , and i stand by my word's take a whippet to the fens and put it behind a big winter hare and see what happens

A whippet has been ran and killed well on the fens been seen by quite a few aswell, I havnt been lucky enough to have seen it up there tho but the whippet I saw could catch winter hares in big enough fields

Whippets are great little dogs ,but to have a chance against a decent winter hare they ,either need to be given a short slip, typically around 30yds, or a kick up with the hare rising under their nose. A 100yds law would see them struggle to get a bend in. As someone else said they are bunny dogs, anything else is a bonus. Edited January 25, 2012 by inan

[robwelsh 354]

They havent got the stamina for big winter hares...

 

the Whippet Coursing Club must have been wasting their time for 5 decades, should of asked you before they formed

 

The answer is yes they can and yes they do have enough stamina and no they dont catch as many as other sighthounds

 

try watching this to see a whippets stamina

 

I said they dont have stamina for big winter hare's , and i stand by my word's take a whippet to the fens and put it behind a big winter hare and see what happens

A whippet has been ran and killed well on the fens been seen by quite a few aswell, I havnt been lucky enough to have seen it up there tho but the whippet I saw could catch winter hares in big enough fields

Whippets are great little dogs ,but to have a chance against a decent winter hare they ,either need to be given a short slip, typically around 30yds, or a kick up with the hare rising under their nose. A 100yds law would see them struggle to get a bend in. As someone else said they are bunny dogs, anything else is a bonus.

and who gives 100yrds law? people say they do, but come on now, your telling me if one got up 20yrds away, youd let it run another 80yrds before slipping a dog, or if the dog is off, the dog will know to wait untill 100yards? i dont think so..with any dog Edited January 25, 2012 by robwelsh

[inan 841]

They havent got the stamina for big winter hares...

 

the Whippet Coursing Club must have been wasting their time for 5 decades, should of asked you before they formed

 

The answer is yes they can and yes they do have enough stamina and no they dont catch as many as other sighthounds

 

try watching this to see a whippets stamina

 

I said they dont have stamina for big winter hare's , and i stand by my word's take a whippet to the fens and put it behind a big winter hare and see what happens

A whippet has been ran and killed well on the fens been seen by quite a few aswell, I havnt been lucky enough to have seen it up there tho but the whippet I saw could catch winter hares in big enough fields

Whippets are great little dogs ,but to have a chance against a decent winter hare they ,either need to be given a short slip, typically around 30yds, or a kick up with the hare rising under their nose. A 100yds law would see them struggle to get a bend in. As someone else said they are bunny dogs, anything else is a bonus.

and who gives 100yrds law? people say they do, but come on now, your telling me if one got up 20yrds away, youd let it run another 80yrds before slipping a dog, or if the dog is off, the dog will know to wait untill 100yards? i dont think so..with any dog

What law you would give a hare,[ preban,] is entirely up to you and your conscience .

And the same applies to me and mine.

Your post seems to indicate that you have not had a great deal of experience in this area, let's just leave it where it is.

[wirral countryman 2,110]

There seems to be a lot of opinions on whippets in this thread but not many off us older lads that attended the whippet coursing when it was legal,I've attended many meetings around the country and have hours of video tapes of meetings with the very best whippets in the country and they are noisey,disappointing affairs with very few hares caught,you may get the odd one that catches but they are physically just not up to regular coursing,they are made for short sprints with early pace and those that possess stamina are usually more heavilly built but lack the same straight line speed,you will always get the odd exception somewhere between the two but they are rare and not the average whippet.Those of us that regularly attended the "waterloo cup" and puppy stakes,etc for greyhounds seen the difference for ourselves,not heard about it but witnessed it first hand,larger dogs make better hare coursing dogs and thats a fact,some of the whippets about today are just small greyhounds and these are the ones that make themselves a name for killing the odd hare,here's a question for you whippet lads to answer then "what size does a whippet become a greyhound ??" because unlike many years ago when there was a distinct difference in size the line seems blurred somewhat,I put it down to all the whippet/greyhound crosses about producing lots of different sized dogs that get tagged by their size,under 22" we'll call it a whippet anything over is a greyhound,I look forward to what you consider too big to be called a whippet,atb,WM

[BEARINATOR 2,825]

There seems to be a lot of opinions on whippets in this thread but not many off us older lads that attended the whippet coursing when it was legal,I've attended many meetings around the country and have hours of video tapes of meetings with the very best whippets in the country and they are noisey,disappointing affairs with very few hares caught,you may get the odd one that catches but they are physically just not up to regular coursing,they are made for short sprints with early pace and those that possess stamina are usually more heavilly built but lack the same straight line speed,you will always get the odd exception somewhere between the two but they are rare and not the average whippet.Those of us that regularly attended the "waterloo cup" and puppy stakes,etc for greyhounds seen the difference for ourselves,not heard about it but witnessed it first hand,larger dogs make better hare coursing dogs and thats a fact,some of the whippets about today are just small greyhounds and these are the ones that make themselves a name for killing the odd hare,here's a question for you whippet lads to answer then "what size does a whippet become a greyhound ??" because unlike many years ago when there was a distinct difference in size the line seems blurred somewhat,I put it down to all the whippet/greyhound crosses about producing lots of different sized dogs that get tagged by their size,under 22" we'll call it a whippet anything over is a greyhound,I look forward to what you consider too big to be called a whippet,atb,WM

 

Excellent post WM

[Guest Manitoba]

There seems to be a lot of opinions on whippets in this thread but not many off us older lads that attended the whippet coursing when it was legal,I've attended many meetings around the country and have hours of video tapes of meetings with the very best whippets in the country and they are noisey,disappointing affairs with very few hares caught,you may get the odd one that catches but they are physically just not up to regular coursing,they are made for short sprints with early pace and those that possess stamina are usually more heavilly built but lack the same straight line speed,you will always get the odd exception somewhere between the two but they are rare and not the average whippet.Those of us that regularly attended the "waterloo cup" and puppy stakes,etc for greyhounds seen the difference for ourselves,not heard about it but witnessed it first hand,larger dogs make better hare coursing dogs and thats a fact,some of the whippets about today are just small greyhounds and these are the ones that make themselves a name for killing the odd hare,here's a question for you whippet lads to answer then "what size does a whippet become a greyhound ??" because unlike many years ago when there was a distinct difference in size the line seems blurred somewhat,I put it down to all the whippet/greyhound crosses about producing lots of different sized dogs that get tagged by their size,under 22" we'll call it a whippet anything over is a greyhound,I look forward to what you consider too big to be called a whippet,atb,WM

can you name the very best whippet that you see please

[chartpolski 20,405]

There seems to be a lot of opinions on whippets in this thread but not many off us older lads that attended the whippet coursing when it was legal,I've attended many meetings around the country and have hours of video tapes of meetings with the very best whippets in the country and they are noisey,disappointing affairs with very few hares caught,you may get the odd one that catches but they are physically just not up to regular coursing,they are made for short sprints with early pace and those that possess stamina are usually more heavilly built but lack the same straight line speed,you will always get the odd exception somewhere between the two but they are rare and not the average whippet.Those of us that regularly attended the "waterloo cup" and puppy stakes,etc for greyhounds seen the difference for ourselves,not heard about it but witnessed it first hand,larger dogs make better hare coursing dogs and thats a fact,some of the whippets about today are just small greyhounds and these are the ones that make themselves a name for killing the odd hare,here's a question for you whippet lads to answer then "what size does a whippet become a greyhound ??" because unlike many years ago when there was a distinct difference in size the line seems blurred somewhat,I put it down to all the whippet/greyhound crosses about producing lots of different sized dogs that get tagged by their size,under 22" we'll call it a whippet anything over is a greyhound,I look forward to what you consider too big to be called a whippet,atb,WM

 

A very good post. I got banned from posting on K9, as I said 25" 55lb "Whippets" are not realy Whippets !! I think the breed standard is about right, 22",I think, for dogs. Anything above this and you have to wonder if there is Greyhound in there !! The WRCA have been, evidently , doing DNA tests on some of the Racing Pedigree Whippets, as there has been a bit of cheating going on by adding greyhound blood. The "Whippets" I have seen catching hares, have been the "NON-Ped" type, and certainly had Greyhound in their lineage.

 

Cheers.

[Moll. 1,769]

The only experience i have is through owning one whippet, so not able to give any other view than that of my dog.

I would have loved to have been able to get him to the Fens if it were still legal, just to see him properly run and see what minerals he does have. I dont think for one minute he would be able to catch many if at all, but it would have been nice to see how well he did on the chase. Which to me is the best bit, better than the kill.

Where i live it is all small fields, lots of cover, hedges and fences, so the accidental one who has broken cover whilst out walking i have never been able to gauge properly. But hand on heart, no i dont think he would have ever made a hare dog, no disrespect to him, as he would bust his heart trying, and that is all that matters, but at 19.5" he just does not have the size/stretch to compete.

The odd one, perhaps, but not consistently enough to be able to call them hare dogs.

 

As someone has already said, there are reasons for having certain types as specialists, that does not mean most types cant take most quarry occasionally. But not consistently enough to be able to call it a hare/deer/rabbit/fox dog. I like to call these types of dog 'just incase dogs'

[canaliculata 28]

The only experience i have is through owning one whippet, so not able to give any other view than that of my dog.

I would have loved to have been able to get him to the Fens if it were still legal, just to see him properly run and see what minerals he does have. I dont think for one minute he would be able to catch many if at all, but it would have been nice to see how well he did on the chase. Which to me is the best bit, better than the kill.

Where i live it is all small fields, lots of cover, hedges and fences, so the accidental one who has broken cover whilst out walking i have never been able to gauge properly. But hand on heart, no i dont think he would have ever made a hare dog, no disrespect to him, as he would bust his heart trying, and that is all that matters, but at 19.5" he just does not have the size/stretch to compete.

The odd one, perhaps, but not consistently enough to be able to call them hare dogs.

 

As someone has already said, there are reasons for having certain types as specialists, that does not mean most types cant take most quarry occasionally. But not consistently enough to be able to call it a hare/deer/rabbit/fox dog. I like to call these types of dog 'just incase dogs'

 

A nice honest account...

[rob284 1,678]

a great mix of opinions on here guys thanks

[mighty celt 995]

anything over 23tts i wouldnt call a whippet

[rob284 1,678]

anything over 23tts i wouldnt call a whippet

agreed

[rolysmate 49]

A good thread and as yet not ruined by the idiots-------lets hope

[3 Turns 326]

BACK IN THE ,S THERE USED TO BE SOME HANDY WHIPPET,S ABOUT22/24 IN STRONG LOOKING AND VERY FAST BUT NOT SEEN ANY IN YEAR,S.

THE THINLY TYPED ONE,S IN MY EYE,S JUST DONT HAVE IT TO REEL A HARE IN AND BURREL IT ABOUT.

[rolysmate 49]

I find it strange when people say Whippets have no pace !! Pace is their main attribute ! I've had a few of the Non-Ped Racing Type Whippets that took hare regularly, but I doubt if the Ped types can do it regular. Of course they will take the odd one, but can never be considered "hare dogs" ! I think it was Walsh who said a Whhippet was overmatched by a hare, and hare wasn't realy a Whippets legitimate quarry, and he was the Whippets biggest supporter, and heavily involved in the NWCC ! Great dogs, but as I said on the Whippet v Fox thread,yes they CAN do it, by why overmatch them, when there are far better dogs at the job ?

 

Cheers.

What do you mean by pace..not a dig im just wondering.. as folk most certainly have different veiw's and idea's..my idea of pace is a dog running at speed but not putting everything into it..and running for a long period of time covering a lot of ground with each effortless stride...i have seen the odd grey with good pace and even a whippet x grey but never a pure whippet..as i think there back's and bodies are too small..

 

Hi, my idea of pace may be different to some others idea , but when watching Racing Whippets we talk of early pace; finishing pace, etc. So i would class "pace" as speed, acceleration, etc. I would differ with you view of "not putting everything into it", as a dog with early pace, is, in my mind, putting its all into it. I wouldn't confuse a dog pacing itself when running, with the type of pace I'm talking about. But these are only my oppinions, and "pace" may mean different things to different people.

 

Cheers.

 

 

With you on this one, pace for me equals speed