Running dog expert Penny Taylor (Skycat)

[Calli 93]

New ed at CMW?

[chartpolski 20,409]

I'm sure Skycat is a very nice and helpfull person....... but to call anyone an EXPERT on running dogs............ Hmmmm

 

Cheers

[richie198 28]

I'm sure Skycat is a very nice and helpfull person....... but to call anyone an EXPERT on running dogs............ Hmmmm

 

Cheers

you obviously have not read her book or her articles or in

depth posts on here mate and if you had you would know she is

a wealth of knowledge and she does not call herself an expert

and actually says that she is still learning.

just keep an open mind mate and you will learn to

[undisputed 1,664]

I'm sure Skycat is a very nice and helpfull person....... but to call anyone an EXPERT on running dogs............ Hmmmm

 

Cheers

 

Don't you think someone can be an expert on running dogs

[Bootsha 1,306]

To call ones self an expert is to invite ( quite rightly) piss taking of the highest order, to be called an expert by others is a compliment of the highest order, as has already been stated, the lady has never called herself an expert, " she is still learning" herself.

 

As far as the CMW goes, the sooner it does get a new editor the better the publication will be, because, in its current state, i'd sooner use grease proof paper to wipe my arse with than the shit thats published in that on a weekly basis, obviously with some exceptions Skycat.

 

Again, there will be some replies to this stating how great and informative the CMW really is, fair enough, but I will say to this, put a subscription into EDRD if you want to see a working dog magazine that really does have grass roots stuff in it, put in by working dog men / women, not f****n dreamers.

 

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[Guest Josy]

Skycat I will ask you again because you seem to have ignored/avoided the question the 1st time I asked.

 

What is your opinion of the use of breaking sticks with lurchers?

[toby1066 413]

would like to know the answer to that one from a woman claiming to be able to work dogs to the same capacity as a man surely a break stick for big game would be an essential bit of kit?

[BobHope 13]

Very helpfull, gave me good advise a few times

[skycat 6,172]

People who I would call experts are professionals in a particular field: like good Greyhound vets who specialise in running dogs, though even they aren't infallible as I know from experience: even the 'experts' disagree, or have failed to find an injury which my local back man then found straight off! To label anyone as an expert risks putting some kind of halo over that person, which is a dangerous thing in any field. Just look at the so called 'expert' witnesses who have been called upon to give evidence in court. :blink:

 

I once met a man who said he was the world's foremost experts on otters, yet he'd never seen one in the wild!!!!!!!!!!!! Just read and written loads and had a university degree to prove it! Trouble was he genuinely believed that he knew more about otters than anyone else: whereas I'd say that someone who had hunted them for a lifetime would undoubtedly know a damn sight more.

 

You can be an expert in someone else's eyes if you know more than they do: that's one of the dictionary definitions: I just looked it up I reckon its a matter of degrees. I could say that my other half, Andy, is an expert at ferreting: he's done it all his life, but he'd never in a million years call himself an expert: he's just a bloke who goes ferreting and has done a lot.

 

Nah! I'm no expert, bit like a decent lurcher really.....a good all rounder with a reasonably high prey drive which I use to seek out and put into practice the information I need to keep my dogs going OK. End of.

 

 

Sorry Josey: I haven't read the entire thread: probably too scared of reading nasty things about myself :tongue2: :laugh:

 

I've never used a breaking stick as I haven't had the need. You could argue that because I don't run Bull crosses I dont' have dogs which need them, but I've also seen well trained, full on Bull crosses come off their game at a command, dogs which were extremely well trained indeed by people who understood the nature of their dogs, and had trained accordingly. And I've seen Bull crosses which had to be dragged back to their owner's motor dragging the game as well only finally letting go when they eventually needed to breathe My own lurchers come off large game at a shout: "MINE!", or sometimes "It's MINE you b*****ds, let go!" :laugh: They learn to do what they're told or else: sometimes it is a matter of wading in and claiming the quarry: a bit like the leader of the lion pride who gets first bite at the kill. IMO its all about respect for the leader with most lurchers, but people who run packs of dogs at quarry are always going to be in more deep brown stuff when it comes to getting dogs off quarry as there is the competitive element between the dogs as well. Dogs run singly at quarry should be easier to handle, providing the dog doesn't see the owner as competition.

 

I won't say that its just about training and obviously there are dogs which are so high drive and bred to hang on no matter what........: you know what sort of dogs I'm talking about...........I even had a red Lakeland like that, and once the red mist had come into his brain he'd have died sooner than let go.

 

Personally I don't see the need for using hunting dogs with that kind of mental drive when a more sensible dog can do the job just as well: its just a slightly different sort of drive, one which is of more use in the hunting field. A sighthound mentality lets go when the game is dead, and usually goes for the throat/neck more instinctively than a Bull cross. That's my experience anyway, but I've not had any experience on really big game: there's a big difference between a munty or CWD and a big red! Speaking before the laws changed, they are the only larger game I've run, and I've never claimed to work to the same capacity as a man either!

 

Get real: 5'6", 9stone wet through: I'm hardly likely to be able to perform the same work as a 6' 14stone bloke now, am I! Why does everything have to degenerate into a kind of competition? I've always been able to manage the game my dogs have caught, but I've never looked to compete against anyone else, except on the coursing field, and then its the dogs which are competing, not the owners. Why not chill out and enjoy the dogs? Life's too short for a load of on line chest beating shit: and I didn't even start this thread! :laugh: :laugh:

[inan 841]

People who I would call experts are professionals in a particular field: like good Greyhound vets who specialise in running dogs, though even they aren't infallible as I know from experience: even the 'experts' disagree, or have failed to find an injury which my local back man then found straight off! To label anyone as an expert risks putting some kind of halo over that person, which is a dangerous thing in any field. Just look at the so called 'expert' witnesses who have been called upon to give evidence in court. :blink:

 

I once met a man who said he was the world's foremost experts on otters, yet he'd never seen one in the wild!!!!!!!!!!!! Just read and written loads and had a university degree to prove it! Trouble was he genuinely believed that he knew more about otters than anyone else: whereas I'd say that someone who had hunted them for a lifetime would undoubtedly know a damn sight more.

 

You can be an expert in someone else's eyes if you know more than they do: that's one of the dictionary definitions: I just looked it up I reckon its a matter of degrees. I could say that my other half, Andy, is an expert at ferreting: he's done it all his life, but he'd never in a million years call himself an expert: he's just a bloke who goes ferreting and has done a lot.

 

Nah! I'm no expert, bit like a decent lurcher really.....a good all rounder with a reasonably high prey drive which I use to seek out and put into practice the information I need to keep my dogs going OK. End of.

 

 

Sorry Josey: I haven't read the entire thread: probably too scared of reading nasty things about myself :tongue2: :laugh:

 

I've never used a breaking stick as I haven't had the need. You could argue that because I don't run Bull crosses I dont' have dogs which need them, but I've also seen well trained, full on Bull crosses come off their game at a command, dogs which were extremely well trained indeed by people who understood the nature of their dogs, and had trained accordingly. And I've seen Bull crosses which had to be dragged back to their owner's motor dragging the game as well only finally letting go when they eventually needed to breathe My own lurchers come off large game at a shout: "MINE!", or sometimes "It's MINE you b*****ds, let go!" :laugh: They learn to do what they're told or else: sometimes it is a matter of wading in and claiming the quarry: a bit like the leader of the lion pride who gets first bite at the kill. IMO its all about respect for the leader with most lurchers, but people who run packs of dogs at quarry are always going to be in more deep brown stuff when it comes to getting dogs off quarry as there is the competitive element between the dogs as well. Dogs run singly at quarry should be easier to handle, providing the dog doesn't see the owner as competition.

 

I won't say that its just about training and obviously there are dogs which are so high drive and bred to hang on no matter what........: you know what sort of dogs I'm talking about...........I even had a red Lakeland like that, and once the red mist had come into his brain he'd have died sooner than let go.

 

Personally I don't see the need for using hunting dogs with that kind of mental drive when a more sensible dog can do the job just as well: its just a slightly different sort of drive, one which is of more use in the hunting field. A sighthound mentality lets go when the game is dead, and usually goes for the throat/neck more instinctively than a Bull cross. That's my experience anyway, but I've not had any experience on really big game: there's a big difference between a munty or CWD and a big red! Speaking before the laws changed, they are the only larger game I've run, and I've never claimed to work to the same capacity as a man either!

 

Get real: 5'6", 9stone wet through: I'm hardly likely to be able to perform the same work as a 6' 14stone bloke now, am I! Why does everything have to degenerate into a kind of competition? I've always been able to manage the game my dogs have caught, but I've never looked to compete against anyone else, except on the coursing field, and then its the dogs which are competing, not the owners. Why not chill out and enjoy the dogs? Life's too short for a load of on line chest beating shit: and I didn't even start this thread! :laugh: :laugh:

Sky cat is Mark Brick

[Maximus Ferret 2,055]

Skycat I will ask you again because you seem to have ignored/avoided the question the 1st time I asked.

 

What is your opinion of the use of breaking sticks with lurchers?

would like to know the answer to that one from a woman claiming to be able to work dogs to the same capacity as a man surely a break stick for big game would be an essential bit of kit?

 

There's another thread somewhere on breaksticks, which suggests to me that they're only used by people using bull or specifically pitbull crosses on big game, as I'm sure you know. Do you really want Penny's opinion or are you just trying to ruin a thread you don't like?

Don't worry, we all know you're both hardmen (in your own mind anyway).

[chimp 299]

i use a stick and ive met penny , hardly crime of the century is it ? im sure she wouldnt hold it against you for doing your own thing.

[chartpolski 20,409]

I'm sure Skycat is a very nice and helpfull person....... but to call anyone an EXPERT on running dogs............ Hmmmm

 

Cheers

 

Don't you think someone can be an expert on running dogs

 

No. some people THINK they are experts, (I'm not talking about Skycat), but I doubt verty much any one is an EXPERT on running dogs.

 

Cheers.

Edited September 4, 2011 by chartpolski

[Guest Josy]

Thanks for the reply skycat, a bit long winded (typical woman) but I get your points and you dont seem to rule them out and have an open mind on there use unlike some

[Guest Josy]

 

There's another thread somewhere on breaksticks, which suggests to me that they're only used by people using bull or specifically pitbull crosses on big game, as I'm sure you know. Do you really want Penny's opinion or are you just trying to ruin a thread you don't like?

Don't worry, we all know you're both hardmen (in your own mind anyway).

 

Stick to ferrets!!!