Leeview 787 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Have you ever actually seen a dog/ferret infected with CD or parvo? Or a jill with advanced aplastic anaemia? It's not a pretty sight and they aren't make believe conditions found in a book! Other animals are brought out of season via injections, dogs & cats are brought out of season with the same hormone regulators as ferrets are. Vaccines are advised to prevent illness/disease as prevention is better than cure, exactly the same principle of using hormone regulators in jills...to prevent aplastic anema/pyometra rather than treating the conditions after they have developed. Treating the conditions are much more expensive than preventing them in the first place, not to mention ensuring an animal doesn't suffer for no good reason. The hormones that animals are injected with are the same naturally occuring hormones the animal already produces, not 'chemicals'. People don't always want to use hormones long-term, so a hoblet is another solution and spaying eliminates the issue altogether. Either way, leaving jills in season can and does cause serious problems, whether you have experienced them or not. If you would rather wait until a jill became ill in order to utilise alternative methods of bringing them out of season instead of ensuring it's prevented in the first place then that's your choice but I wouldn't recommend it and I don't think you should either. Ever actually seen a dog or ferret infected with CD or parvo? Dog YES ferret NO but none of my animals have ever had either in all my time of keeping them Or a jill with aplastic anemia? NO NEVER Dogs and Cats are brought out of season with the same hormone regulators as ferrets are. SURELY not due to the size difference in your 3 instances? Vaccines are advised(administered)to prevent illness/disease as prevention is better than cure.NEVER DISPUTED THAT FACT BUT I ASKED ABOUT BOOSTERS EITHER WAYS, leaving a jill in season CAN and does cause serious problems,wether you have experienced them or not, if you would rather wait until a jill became ill in order to use alternative methods of bringing them out of season instead of ensuring its prevented in the first place thats your choice but I would nt recommend it and I dont think you should either CAN and MIGHT are very popular words with people trying to convince others what to do Having had ferrets for over 50years Vasectomised hobs were unheard of jill jabs when did they come about? around about the same time as the fluffies brigade got into showing ferrets? So how did you manage before then? My experience leads me to believe its not neccessary to have them taken out of season with no ill effects whatsoever Yourself on the other hand tell me what you think will happen to my ferrets if I dont do what you say and your experience of these illnesses/diseases are they first hand or read/heard from equally dubious sources BUT hold on you jab your jills and snip your hobs so your ferrets cant possibly suffer from these symptoms you have seen can they Y.I.S Leeview Sorry mate, it appears your leave your jills in season and they will be fine arguement isn't really convincing anyone. As far as boosters go, have you ever heard of antigens? If you haven't, then read one of those books full of pretend illnesses you keep talking about and you will be able to answer your own question. Modern science has moved on, why don't you catch up. your forgetting theres documented downsides to jill jabs ,spaying ect each to there own iam in the lea camp but thinking on a vas hob for next year but again read the documented downside on phantom pregnancys .science aint moved that much when they cant guarentee a problem free solution without side effects so your argument aint convincing me There are documented downsides to chemo, vaccinations & surgery....but they save lives, so get a proper arguement. The use of Jill jabs & hoblets are designed to 'trick' the jills reproductive system into a false/psuedo pregnancy, PLAYING WITH THE JILLS HEAD therefore bringing them out of season, preventing bone marrow hyperplasia, immunity supression, decreased platelet count/internal bleeding etc etc associated with prolonged oestrus/aplastic anaemia. A pregnant jill can return to season after birthing a litter, DID YOU NOT SUGGEST EARLIER IN THIS SITUATION TO GET THE JILL REJABBED WHEN THIS HAPPENS? WHILST FEEDING KITS? but it certainly doesn't mean just keep breeding her to solve the problem. WHERE HAVE I MENTIONED BREEDING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM? So why should the risks of pyometra & aplastic anaemia, UTI's etc by leaving jills in prolonged oestrus be a better solution than minimising/eliminating the risks by alternative methods? Alternative methods of hormone influence have been developed WHERE DO THEY GET THESE HORMONES FROM TO INJECT THE JILL? and are highly successful for the reason that the risk of prolonged oestrus in jills is more severe than potential side effects of alternative methods, including spaying. You stay in the lea camp out there in no man's land Y.I.S Leeview That reply wasn't aimed at you, but anyway. You believe that bringing a jill out of oestrus fucks with her head? How exactly does ending her oestrus cycle do that, after all it's exactly what would happen in the wild?! Working on your warped logic, vaccinations must also f**k with heads, after all the vaccine is tricking the immune system into producing antibodies. It wasn't me who suggested jill jabbing a lactating mother, so unlucky there. Also look back over the thread, where did I say jills must be brought out of season using a jill jab?...no where. You however think it is better to deny a jill the opportunity to complete her oestrus cycle, therefore predisposing her to all sorts of complications. You'd rather subject them to a 6 month oestrus cycle?..how kind of you. Leaving them in season is more artificial than using alternative methods to end their oestrus, you just can't grasp the concept, your problem, not mine. With regards to hormone production for medical/veterinary purposes, again read one of those things called books you dislike so much, then you can answer your own question, again. Tbh, I don't believe your jills have never had any issues with leaving them in season, but that's neither here nor there, but if that is honestly true, then can you please mention this to your vets (they are the people who make sick animals better)....they will be fascinated by these bionic jills of yours, it may even be a scientific breakthrough on ferret genetics..... I have a confession to make, after reading the above I must've had bionic jills over the course of the last 30 years because unbelievable as it might sound I've never came across any health issues with any jill that's been left in season. How can that have been possible when all these "experts" tell us a jill that's left in season "will have a shortened life span". Seems to me that Leeview is talking through experience whereas ferret100 seems to have gained his knowledge from google. Maybe tell that to the others on the forum who have lost their jills due to leaving them in season. Now which member would that be?That has beyond any doubt whatsoever lost a jill through being left in season when there could be other reasons it died and just coincidence it was in season? Y.I.S Leeview Link to post
ferret100 47 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Have you ever actually seen a dog/ferret infected with CD or parvo? Or a jill with advanced aplastic anaemia? It's not a pretty sight and they aren't make believe conditions found in a book! Other animals are brought out of season via injections, dogs & cats are brought out of season with the same hormone regulators as ferrets are. Vaccines are advised to prevent illness/disease as prevention is better than cure, exactly the same principle of using hormone regulators in jills...to prevent aplastic anema/pyometra rather than treating the conditions after they have developed. Treating the conditions are much more expensive than preventing them in the first place, not to mention ensuring an animal doesn't suffer for no good reason. The hormones that animals are injected with are the same naturally occuring hormones the animal already produces, not 'chemicals'. People don't always want to use hormones long-term, so a hoblet is another solution and spaying eliminates the issue altogether. Either way, leaving jills in season can and does cause serious problems, whether you have experienced them or not. If you would rather wait until a jill became ill in order to utilise alternative methods of bringing them out of season instead of ensuring it's prevented in the first place then that's your choice but I wouldn't recommend it and I don't think you should either. Ever actually seen a dog or ferret infected with CD or parvo? Dog YES ferret NO but none of my animals have ever had either in all my time of keeping them Or a jill with aplastic anemia? NO NEVER Dogs and Cats are brought out of season with the same hormone regulators as ferrets are. SURELY not due to the size difference in your 3 instances? Vaccines are advised(administered)to prevent illness/disease as prevention is better than cure.NEVER DISPUTED THAT FACT BUT I ASKED ABOUT BOOSTERS EITHER WAYS, leaving a jill in season CAN and does cause serious problems,wether you have experienced them or not, if you would rather wait until a jill became ill in order to use alternative methods of bringing them out of season instead of ensuring its prevented in the first place thats your choice but I would nt recommend it and I dont think you should either CAN and MIGHT are very popular words with people trying to convince others what to do Having had ferrets for over 50years Vasectomised hobs were unheard of jill jabs when did they come about? around about the same time as the fluffies brigade got into showing ferrets? So how did you manage before then? My experience leads me to believe its not neccessary to have them taken out of season with no ill effects whatsoever Yourself on the other hand tell me what you think will happen to my ferrets if I dont do what you say and your experience of these illnesses/diseases are they first hand or read/heard from equally dubious sources BUT hold on you jab your jills and snip your hobs so your ferrets cant possibly suffer from these symptoms you have seen can they Y.I.S Leeview Sorry mate, it appears your leave your jills in season and they will be fine arguement isn't really convincing anyone. As far as boosters go, have you ever heard of antigens? If you haven't, then read one of those books full of pretend illnesses you keep talking about and you will be able to answer your own question. Modern science has moved on, why don't you catch up. your forgetting theres documented downsides to jill jabs ,spaying ect each to there own iam in the lea camp but thinking on a vas hob for next year but again read the documented downside on phantom pregnancys .science aint moved that much when they cant guarentee a problem free solution without side effects so your argument aint convincing me There are documented downsides to chemo, vaccinations & surgery....but they save lives, so get a proper arguement. The use of Jill jabs & hoblets are designed to 'trick' the jills reproductive system into a false/psuedo pregnancy, PLAYING WITH THE JILLS HEAD therefore bringing them out of season, preventing bone marrow hyperplasia, immunity supression, decreased platelet count/internal bleeding etc etc associated with prolonged oestrus/aplastic anaemia. A pregnant jill can return to season after birthing a litter, DID YOU NOT SUGGEST EARLIER IN THIS SITUATION TO GET THE JILL REJABBED WHEN THIS HAPPENS? WHILST FEEDING KITS? but it certainly doesn't mean just keep breeding her to solve the problem. WHERE HAVE I MENTIONED BREEDING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM? So why should the risks of pyometra & aplastic anaemia, UTI's etc by leaving jills in prolonged oestrus be a better solution than minimising/eliminating the risks by alternative methods? Alternative methods of hormone influence have been developed WHERE DO THEY GET THESE HORMONES FROM TO INJECT THE JILL? and are highly successful for the reason that the risk of prolonged oestrus in jills is more severe than potential side effects of alternative methods, including spaying. You stay in the lea camp out there in no man's land Y.I.S Leeview That reply wasn't aimed at you, but anyway. You believe that bringing a jill out of oestrus fucks with her head? How exactly does ending her oestrus cycle do that, after all it's exactly what would happen in the wild?! Working on your warped logic, vaccinations must also f**k with heads, after all the vaccine is tricking the immune system into producing antibodies. It wasn't me who suggested jill jabbing a lactating mother, so unlucky there. Also look back over the thread, where did I say jills must be brought out of season using a jill jab?...no where. You however think it is better to deny a jill the opportunity to complete her oestrus cycle, therefore predisposing her to all sorts of complications. You'd rather subject them to a 6 month oestrus cycle?..how kind of you. Leaving them in season is more artificial than using alternative methods to end their oestrus, you just can't grasp the concept, your problem, not mine. With regards to hormone production for medical/veterinary purposes, again read one of those things called books you dislike so much, then you can answer your own question, again. Tbh, I don't believe your jills have never had any issues with leaving them in season, but that's neither here nor there, but if that is honestly true, then can you please mention this to your vets (they are the people who make sick animals better)....they will be fascinated by these bionic jills of yours, it may even be a scientific breakthrough on ferret genetics..... I have a confession to make, after reading the above I must've had bionic jills over the course of the last 30 years because unbelievable as it might sound I've never came across any health issues with any jill that's been left in season. How can that have been possible when all these "experts" tell us a jill that's left in season "will have a shortened life span". Seems to me that Leeview is talking through experience whereas ferret100 seems to have gained his knowledge from google. Maybe tell that to the others on the forum who have lost their jills due to leaving them in season. Now which member would that be?That has beyond any doubt whatsoever lost a jill through being left in season when there could be other reasons it died and just coincidence it was in season? Y.I.S Leeview Look back through the thread and find the members for yourself, and ask them that question yourself. Link to post
Rake aboot 4,929 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Me for one,, I lost a wee jill years ago through staying in season, and developing anemia,, NEVER again,, felt like a twat for showing a lack of knowledge,, so I never risk it now,, snipped hob 2 Link to post
Leeview 787 Posted September 8, 2011 Report Share Posted September 8, 2011 Me for one,, I lost a wee jill years ago through staying in season, and developing anemia,, NEVER again,, felt like a twat for showing a lack of knowledge,, so I never risk it now,, snipped hob Well Rake Aboot your the only member thats put his hand up and said you've lost a jill in season. Happyferret(page1) on the other hand knows someone down her road who loses them regularly due to the poor conditions he keeps them in, to myself thats not conclusive the deaths were caused by them being left in season While several experienced members leave their bionic jills in season and have done for many years with no adverse signs or reactions or deaths Y.I.S Leeview 1 Link to post
Neal 1,784 Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Apart from one previous jill, I've always kept hobs which I've had castrated so there's no animosity between them; though you do get a little "batting for the other side." However, I've currently got two jills which have survived the summer being in season with no ill effects. However, the only reason they were left in season was because I got them as rescues and needed to wait for them to come out of season before getting them spayed. Incidentally, if I'm getting both spayed, do people recommend getting both done at the same time or staggering them? Thanks in advance. Link to post
ferret100 47 Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Me for one,, I lost a wee jill years ago through staying in season, and developing anemia,, NEVER again,, felt like a twat for showing a lack of knowledge,, so I never risk it now,, snipped hob Well Rake Aboot your the only member thats put his hand up and said you've lost a jill in season. Happyferret(page1) on the other hand knows someone down her road who loses them regularly due to the poor conditions he keeps them in, to myself thats not conclusive the deaths were caused by them being left in season While several experienced members leave their bionic jills in season and have done for many years with no adverse signs or reactions or deaths Y.I.S Leeview This is nonsense. Leaving a jill in season is not acceptable and unless somehow your jills are biologically different from the species, then they do suffer adverse signs or reactions. Experience has sfa to do with biology. Link to post
Leeview 787 Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Me for one,, I lost a wee jill years ago through staying in season, and developing anemia,, NEVER again,, felt like a twat for showing a lack of knowledge,, so I never risk it now,, snipped hob Well Rake Aboot your the only member thats put his hand up and said you've lost a jill in season. Happyferret(page1) on the other hand knows someone down her road who loses them regularly due to the poor conditions he keeps them in, to myself thats not conclusive the deaths were caused by them being left in season While several experienced members leave their bionic jills in season and have done for many years with no adverse signs or reactions or deaths Y.I.S Leeview This is nonsense. Leaving a jill in season is not acceptable and unless somehow your jills are biologically different from the species, then they do suffer adverse signs or reactions. Experience has sfa to do with biology. listen ferret100 you told me to go back over this post and see how many members have lost jills through leaving them in season I DID AND ANSWERED THAT ONLY RAKE ABOOT HAD LOST A JILL AND HAPPY FERRET KNEW SOMEBODY DOWN HER ROAD THAT HAD DUE TO DISGUSTING CONDITIONS THEY WERE KEPT IN So I suggest you read through and see how many posters disagree with yourself and have had jills left in season without mating without any adverse illness's, death,or other health issues you claim it CAN cause These members are giving their experiences of what has n't happened to their jill, we cant all have bionic ferrets as you claimed we must have and equally we cant all just be plain lucky to not of lost one jill between us? Y.I.S Leeview Link to post
mackay 3,049 Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 I've had ferrets since about 1977, never used the jill jab, snipped hob or any other method mentioned in fact back then it wasn't even an option, I've always kept my cages clean, fed meat all year round and generally practised good ferret husbandry and I've never had a jill die, maybe I've been lucky. Had this discussion on here before with another guy (who ran a rescue) and he pretty much accused me of porkies as he disagreed. I had two polecat coloured sisters who were never bred from, were never brought out of season and lived to thirteen and fourteen years of age. 2 Link to post
darbo 4,774 Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 what year was the jill jab brought into operation? Link to post
ferret100 47 Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 Me for one,, I lost a wee jill years ago through staying in season, and developing anemia,, NEVER again,, felt like a twat for showing a lack of knowledge,, so I never risk it now,, snipped hob Well Rake Aboot your the only member thats put his hand up and said you've lost a jill in season. Happyferret(page1) on the other hand knows someone down her road who loses them regularly due to the poor conditions he keeps them in, to myself thats not conclusive the deaths were caused by them being left in season While several experienced members leave their bionic jills in season and have done for many years with no adverse signs or reactions or deaths Y.I.S Leeview This is nonsense. Leaving a jill in season is not acceptable and unless somehow your jills are biologically different from the species, then they do suffer adverse signs or reactions. Experience has sfa to do with biology. listen ferret100 you told me to go back over this post and see how many members have lost jills through leaving them in season I DID AND ANSWERED THAT ONLY RAKE ABOOT HAD LOST A JILL AND HAPPY FERRET KNEW SOMEBODY DOWN HER ROAD THAT HAD DUE TO DISGUSTING CONDITIONS THEY WERE KEPT IN So I suggest you read through and see how many posters disagree with yourself and have had jills left in season without mating without any adverse illness's, death,or other health issues you claim it CAN cause These members are giving their experiences of what has n't happened to their jill, we cant all have bionic ferrets as you claimed we must have and equally we cant all just be plain lucky to not of lost one jill between us? Y.I.S Leeview Me for one,, I lost a wee jill years ago through staying in season, and developing anemia,, NEVER again,, felt like a twat for showing a lack of knowledge,, so I never risk it now,, snipped hob Well Rake Aboot your the only member thats put his hand up and said you've lost a jill in season. Happyferret(page1) on the other hand knows someone down her road who loses them regularly due to the poor conditions he keeps them in, to myself thats not conclusive the deaths were caused by them being left in season While several experienced members leave their bionic jills in season and have done for many years with no adverse signs or reactions or deaths Y.I.S Leeview This is nonsense. Leaving a jill in season is not acceptable and unless somehow your jills are biologically different from the species, then they do suffer adverse signs or reactions. Experience has sfa to do with biology. listen ferret100 you told me to go back over this post and see how many members have lost jills through leaving them in season I DID AND ANSWERED THAT ONLY RAKE ABOOT HAD LOST A JILL AND HAPPY FERRET KNEW SOMEBODY DOWN HER ROAD THAT HAD DUE TO DISGUSTING CONDITIONS THEY WERE KEPT IN So I suggest you read through and see how many posters disagree with yourself and have had jills left in season without mating without any adverse illness's, death,or other health issues you claim it CAN cause These members are giving their experiences of what has n't happened to their jill, we cant all have bionic ferrets as you claimed we must have and equally we cant all just be plain lucky to not of lost one jill between us? Y.I.S Leeview The reason most posters can't say they've lost a jill in season is because they are clued up enough to prevent it happening in the first place, Rake Aboot admitted a lesson learned. Would you be willing to leave some jills, those you have left in season (all season) this year, to leave them in season til mid/end breeding season next year, so some blood samples can be run on them? To prove your theory right, of course. Link to post
Leeview 787 Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) Me for one,, I lost a wee jill years ago through staying in season, and developing anemia,, NEVER again,, felt like a twat for showing a lack of knowledge,, so I never risk it now,, snipped hob Well Rake Aboot your the only member thats put his hand up and said you've lost a jill in season. Happyferret(page1) on the other hand knows someone down her road who loses them regularly due to the poor conditions he keeps them in, to myself thats not conclusive the deaths were caused by them being left in season While several experienced members leave their bionic jills in season and have done for many years with no adverse signs or reactions or deaths Y.I.S Leeview This is nonsense. Leaving a jill in season is not acceptable and unless somehow your jills are biologically different from the species, then they do suffer adverse signs or reactions. Experience has sfa to do with biology. listen ferret100 you told me to go back over this post and see how many members have lost jills through leaving them in season I DID AND ANSWERED THAT ONLY RAKE ABOOT HAD LOST A JILL AND HAPPY FERRET KNEW SOMEBODY DOWN HER ROAD THAT HAD DUE TO DISGUSTING CONDITIONS THEY WERE KEPT IN So I suggest you read through and see how many posters disagree with yourself and have had jills left in season without mating without any adverse illness's, death,or other health issues you claim it CAN cause These members are giving their experiences of what has n't happened to their jill, we cant all have bionic ferrets as you claimed we must have and equally we cant all just be plain lucky to not of lost one jill between us? Y.I.S Leeview Me for one,, I lost a wee jill years ago through staying in season, and developing anemia,, NEVER again,, felt like a twat for showing a lack of knowledge,, so I never risk it now,, snipped hob Well Rake Aboot your the only member thats put his hand up and said you've lost a jill in season. Happyferret(page1) on the other hand knows someone down her road who loses them regularly due to the poor conditions he keeps them in, to myself thats not conclusive the deaths were caused by them being left in season While several experienced members leave their bionic jills in season and have done for many years with no adverse signs or reactions or deaths Y.I.S Leeview This is nonsense. Leaving a jill in season is not acceptable and unless somehow your jills are biologically different from the species, then they do suffer adverse signs or reactions. Experience has sfa to do with biology. listen ferret100 you told me to go back over this post and see how many members have lost jills through leaving them in season I DID AND ANSWERED THAT ONLY RAKE ABOOT HAD LOST A JILL AND HAPPY FERRET KNEW SOMEBODY DOWN HER ROAD THAT HAD DUE TO DISGUSTING CONDITIONS THEY WERE KEPT IN So I suggest you read through and see how many posters disagree with yourself and have had jills left in season without mating without any adverse illness's, death,or other health issues you claim it CAN cause These members are giving their experiences of what has n't happened to their jill, we cant all have bionic ferrets as you claimed we must have and equally we cant all just be plain lucky to not of lost one jill between us? Y.I.S Leeview The reason most posters can't say they've lost a jill in season is because they are clued up enough to prevent it happening in the first place, ARE YOU READING THE SAME TOPIC AS MYSELF MORE POSTERS LEAVE THEIR JILLS IN SEASON AND HAVE NT LOST ANY JILLS Rake Aboot admitted a lesson learned. Would you be willing to leave some jills, those you have left in season (all season) this year, to leave them in season til mid/end breeding season next year, so some blood samples can be run on them? To prove your theory right, of course. To prove a point YES I would I cant speak for all the other posters who leave their jills in season tough you can ask them yourself. darbo asked a question which I could nt give an exact answer to regarding when the jill jab was introduced My answer would of been around the late 80's along with ferret biscuits and around the time pet ferret shows started, but not happy with that I looked on the nfws pages do you write for them? because its nearly word perfect to what you spout. BUT 1 interesting point it mentions vasectomised hobs for bringing jills out of season,just like you do and goes onto say constant use of a vasectomised hob can lead to pyometra in jills YOU did nt mention that now did you? And the downside of the jill jabs reccomending massaging the jill until the swelling(where she was injected) goes down and different jills reacting in different cases Y.I.S Leeview Edited September 10, 2011 by Leeview Link to post
ferret100 47 Posted September 10, 2011 Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) Me for one,, I lost a wee jill years ago through staying in season, and developing anemia,, NEVER again,, felt like a twat for showing a lack of knowledge,, so I never risk it now,, snipped hob Well Rake Aboot your the only member thats put his hand up and said you've lost a jill in season. Happyferret(page1) on the other hand knows someone down her road who loses them regularly due to the poor conditions he keeps them in, to myself thats not conclusive the deaths were caused by them being left in season While several experienced members leave their bionic jills in season and have done for many years with no adverse signs or reactions or deaths Y.I.S Leeview This is nonsense. Leaving a jill in season is not acceptable and unless somehow your jills are biologically different from the species, then they do suffer adverse signs or reactions. Experience has sfa to do with biology. listen ferret100 you told me to go back over this post and see how many members have lost jills through leaving them in season I DID AND ANSWERED THAT ONLY RAKE ABOOT HAD LOST A JILL AND HAPPY FERRET KNEW SOMEBODY DOWN HER ROAD THAT HAD DUE TO DISGUSTING CONDITIONS THEY WERE KEPT IN So I suggest you read through and see how many posters disagree with yourself and have had jills left in season without mating without any adverse illness's, death,or other health issues you claim it CAN cause These members are giving their experiences of what has n't happened to their jill, we cant all have bionic ferrets as you claimed we must have and equally we cant all just be plain lucky to not of lost one jill between us? Y.I.S Leeview Me for one,, I lost a wee jill years ago through staying in season, and developing anemia,, NEVER again,, felt like a twat for showing a lack of knowledge,, so I never risk it now,, snipped hob Well Rake Aboot your the only member thats put his hand up and said you've lost a jill in season. Happyferret(page1) on the other hand knows someone down her road who loses them regularly due to the poor conditions he keeps them in, to myself thats not conclusive the deaths were caused by them being left in season While several experienced members leave their bionic jills in season and have done for many years with no adverse signs or reactions or deaths Y.I.S Leeview This is nonsense. Leaving a jill in season is not acceptable and unless somehow your jills are biologically different from the species, then they do suffer adverse signs or reactions. Experience has sfa to do with biology. listen ferret100 you told me to go back over this post and see how many members have lost jills through leaving them in season I DID AND ANSWERED THAT ONLY RAKE ABOOT HAD LOST A JILL AND HAPPY FERRET KNEW SOMEBODY DOWN HER ROAD THAT HAD DUE TO DISGUSTING CONDITIONS THEY WERE KEPT IN So I suggest you read through and see how many posters disagree with yourself and have had jills left in season without mating without any adverse illness's, death,or other health issues you claim it CAN cause These members are giving their experiences of what has n't happened to their jill, we cant all have bionic ferrets as you claimed we must have and equally we cant all just be plain lucky to not of lost one jill between us? Y.I.S Leeview The reason most posters can't say they've lost a jill in season is because they are clued up enough to prevent it happening in the first place, ARE YOU READING THE SAME TOPIC AS MYSELF MORE POSTERS LEAVE THEIR JILLS IN SEASON AND HAVE NT LOST ANY JILLS Rake Aboot admitted a lesson learned. Would you be willing to leave some jills, those you have left in season (all season) this year, to leave them in season til mid/end breeding season next year, so some blood samples can be run on them? To prove your theory right, of course. To prove a point YES I would I cant speak for all the other posters who leave their jills in season tough you can ask them yourself. darbo asked a question which I could nt give an exact answer to regarding when the jill jab was introduced My answer would of been around the late 80's along with ferret biscuits and around the time pet ferret shows started, but not happy with that I looked on the nfws pages do you write for them? because its nearly word perfect to what you spout. BUT 1 interesting point it mentions vasectomised hobs for bringing jills out of season,just like you do and goes onto say constant use of a vasectomised hob can lead to pyometra in jills YOU did nt mention that now did you? And the downside of the jill jabs reccomending massaging the jill until the swelling(where she was injected) goes down and different jills reacting in different cases Y.I.S Leeview No, sorry I don't write for nfws. Pyometra is a risk from breeding jills or, using a hoblet, or a jill jab...old news, but you must be behind the times. I didn't realise every detail had to be spelt out to you.... Your new arguement for the jill jab is that it may cause a localised swelling? That risk is carried for any injection.. I will look forward to the haem & bioc results from your jills..... Edited September 10, 2011 by ferret100 Link to post
Leeview 787 Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 OLD NEWS You said it was the way to go now there are risks? I dont recall any swelling from injections I've had So I and other experienced members leave their jills in season with no problems or ill side effects you reckon on what you've heard or read that jill jabs,vasectomised hob are your choice BUT THEY HAVE THEIR PROBLEMS I think I'll stick with experience as it has nt caused me any problems at all Y.I.S Leeview Link to post
f mac 40 Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 dont lee your only gona encourage him to post Link to post
6pack 60 Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 New to ferret owning so this is all new to me. Lee - have you ever had a jill die prematurely? Link to post
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