bird 9,973 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Trying to find there web site, the one that comes up aint it , nothing to do with the breed ,bloody just shed+kennels . i used to have bullmasitiffs, just wanted to compare the 2 breeds , as these Alanos seem like good+healty working dogs , and not just show dogs:thumbs: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strong Stuff 2,171 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Looks like he's taken his website down mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,973 Posted June 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Looks like he's taken his website down mate. ok thanks Aaron,if you here or find another uk let me know Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boerhunter77 1 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Hi, This is Jon from Hunter Kennel. I took the website down due to the sheer number of idiots contacting me at all hours. I have a working mastiff forum that has plenty of info on my alano's.. Link below. PM me with your user name if you sign up and I will approve it. The sites just for working dog folk & contains some serious dogs: http://cane9corso.co.uk/forum/ Jon P.s. you might like this fellow... HK Cello (working old type mastino) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boerhunter77 1 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 A short writeup from my forum (there are several of these writeups on there) N.b. I still have Alanos that I can breed, but I do not breed for the general public. The same goes for my mastino's (and hence my not using "hunterkennel" as my forum name - im tired of knobs contacting me. Working homes only when I breed. Various folks will dissagree with some of my comments below they are based off MY experience, and not of cr@p ive read in some copied article. There are also alano owners out there who might take offence at my drawing similarities with pits etc. Im not interested in discussions/ If anyone takes offence to any comments below I will simply remove the post. ------------------------- Alano Espanol The net is a funny thing, there are countless breed descriptions of the Alano out there but 95% are just copies of each other, originally taken no doubt from someone who has never met the breed - the remaining 5% are translations of Spanish articles which don't give a full/clear picture. Im going to put together a brief summery of the breed in simple English from first hand experiences... the description will no doubt contradict with what you may have read about the breed. Hmmm where do I start. ....Ok, the first issue of is the breed a recreation or ancient breed? From speaking to countess old timers who couldn't give a toss either way what people think I believe that the alano is infact an old breed and not recreated. However, breeds are definitely crossed in if they add to it. The Spanish of the region couldn't care about a pedigree as long as the dogs work well. These bulldogs have been used for an extremely long time as the Spanish bulls are no pussycats and despite the English and Americans finding it hard to understand, there are still parts in Europe which are rustic and require hardened working dogs. Outsiders see the bull type alano and instantly think "boxer cross". This is very apparently not the case when you actually speak to the locals and meet the actual dogs in the flesh. In the flesh there is not the slightest boxer like trait about them in personality and physically they look very very different when stood next to a boxer. The only outcrosses I suspect are vilano's, Spanish bulldogs, pitbulls in the fighting lines. The breed itself has two sub types 1. bulldog. 2. boardog. The bulldog is the "boxer/pit-esque" looking type - cobby and built for farm work. The boardog is the vilano bulldog looking type - more racy in the body and snipey in the muzzle. I strongly believe that the bull type alano is the true English bulldog that's been in Spain continuing its original function. The boar type alano is without a doubt a cousin to the boar type corso and a cousin to the old presa canario - its heavier counterpart. I have imported 5 alano's into the UK and own a working alano out in Spain. Having owned and hunted the breed it became very apparent to me that the breed is unsuited to the general public and for this reason I no longer breed. Even when taking great care to place them well I found countless problems with owners struggling. My dogs in the UK have all been placed out in working homes with hunters where I retain breeding rights but choose not to. Whilst I adore the breed I would not want to keep one as a pet as they are extremely high maintenance and need to be worked daily... a little more on this shortly. It is essentially 2 breeds bred together - the boar type being the ancient Spanish hunting hound, the bull type being the English dog. The bull type have very hard characteristics - they are essentially a pitbull in a bulldog body. The boar type is a gripping dog and due to its history as a dog of war this type sometimes throws ferocious guards. Sujay from this forum was gifted an example of each type to own/work - the boar type being a very hard dog & would gladly eat a man just for fun. Very serious dog. Now Sujay owns and works some of the most serious dogs in Europe, but if you ask him about Chico the Alano he will give a very vivid description of just how hard these dogs can be. The bulldog types conversely are very handler bonded and sweet... and akin to a typical pitbull personality. Movement wise, they are the Belgian malinois of the bulldog/mastiff world. I have never seen another mastiff breed that comes close to moving as gracefully / as fast or with a fraction of their agility. The typical alano can run up verticals like a sports bred pit and climb tree's with freakish ability. Fences with these dogs are just for show as if an alano wants to get out, there is very little that will stop it. Ive seen a fully pregnant female jump over a 6.5ft fence from a sitting position only just slightly skipping off the top of it. If you could put one of these dogs in the hands of a skilled trainer ive no doubt that they would smash the current high jump record held by a greyhound. I once saw an alano run 12ft up a vertical tree trunk, jump 6ft out from the vertical mid run and snatch a squirrel from a branch 12ft off the ground. It was without a doubt the most impressive thing ive seen a dog do in terms of agility & that was an 85lb bulldog, not a 50lb malinois. Phenomenal breed. I have owners with countless stories of this calibre that I wont post as unless you see it first hand this kind of stuff looks like bullsh1t. However, Sujay being on this forum will gladly tell you of his alano's running up absurd verticals - ive been told of his alano's running up towers of cars as high as a house with relative ease. The agility of these dogs is freakish. Physically they are impressive. Sujays Chico was crushing barrel sleeves at 6 months - no joke. Scary bite power. At maturity an alano has a very serious jaw indeed. In Spain these dogs are still used for untoward activities and are very capable at destroying whatever is put in front of them. After hearing stories of dogs cracking goat heads to eat ive fed mine all manner of absurd sized bones ...which have been merrily crunched through with unnerving ease. Not a dog you'd want to take a serious live bite from. Their speed and agility makes them awful to work. At 4/5months Chico was putting me on the floor with little problem. Again, you have to see it to believe it. They are supposed to be dog friendly so they can hunt in a pack... they are not. If they are hunting a boar/deer/whatever then they will tolerate each other and work together. They are not dogs you can kennel together though. They will gladly kill and eat each other as the slightest issue. bloody awful dogs to manage in a kennel. Even males/females can be an issue with the serious stock. Hunting they are awesome, they smash the bejeebus out of anything they get. Naturally hunting large game in the UK isn't legal - but lets just say that "In Spain" when ive been hunting with them they are absolute demons on deer and boar. They obviously catch rabbits too - very fast dogs. They aren't exactly handler focused when off leash though... you've just got to do your best to keep up. Hence the use of horses in Spain. Tracker collars are a good alternative in the UK when taking them for ..ahem .."a walk". Heath wise they are hardy and fit, the only issue with the breed is that they are so hard they will tear themselves to bits without a care & keep on going. The stoicism of this breed takes your breath away. Ive seen first hand them being gored very badly by boar with guts hanging out, and keep on going until they take the animal down. They will then gladly let the hunter stitch or staple them up without as much as a flinch. I have heard stories of them almost being ripped in half and keep on going trying to take a boar down until they succeed or die... and I believe it from what ive seen. Its hard to imagine a hardier dog. Size wise 65-85lbs is about right. 90lbs would be a giant example. I know folk who own both the alano and the dogo argentino and the hunters will always favour the alano - greater agility and speed. The dogo has greater power and weight, so is very useful as a heavier hound for the big stuff. So where you would use 3 alano's you might instead use 2 dogo's... but the alano's will catch more due to the added speed/agility. Hopefully this layman's description will give a clearer view of the breed. Im happy to answer any questions on topics ive not covered. Jon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boerhunter77 1 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 n.b. there are various atricles / posts and tonnes of photo's of the breed on my forum. I will not cross post these. Jon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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judge2010 196 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Look at these Mastino's not my pics belong to a lad i know who posts on another forum Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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"Earth!" 503 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 ceaserdog would be a man worth adding to you forum. if he isnt already, when he does see this, he will be applying and id certainly vouch for him as a genuine man and mad on the security dogs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boerhunter77 1 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Gino's from my breeding He's the sire to the mahogany male I posted fella. Jon I reccognise a few of the others too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
judge2010 196 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 (edited) Gino's from my breeding He's the sire to the mahogany male I posted fella. Jon I reccognise a few of the others too. He's a beast mate, you still have the line going? Were you the bloke with the boerboel mix bandog as well? Edited June 24, 2011 by judge2010 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boerhunter77 1 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Gino's from my breeding He's the sire to the mahogany male I posted fella. Jon I reccognise a few of the others too. He's a beast mate, you still have the line going? Were you the bloke with the boerboel mix bandog as well? Yes thats me, "Brick" Boerboel (imported dutch working boel) x Presa (Curto) x Mastino (supposedly a decent working bitch) Bricks breeding was as follows: presa x mastino bred the sire. He was bred to the import boel, which produced the dam. Then they were inbred father to daughter. Very serious dogs. Jon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
judge2010 196 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Gino's from my breeding He's the sire to the mahogany male I posted fella. Jon I reccognise a few of the others too. He's a beast mate, you still have the line going? Were you the bloke with the boerboel mix bandog as well? Yes thats me, "Brick" Boerboel (imported dutch working boel) x Presa (Curto) x Mastino (supposedly a decent working bitch) Bricks breeding was as follows: presa x mastino bred the sire. He was bred to the import boel, which produced the dam. Then they were inbred father to daughter. Very serious dogs. Jon who did you get the boerboel from mate PM if you prefer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boerhunter77 1 Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 ...and yes, I still have the line going. I just dont publicise my program. Im working Cello tomorrow at a working dog event in Essex - youre a london lad arent you Judge? PM me if you want to come down and watch to see the real deal working in the flesh. Its a tactical training day - street self defence (for security firms etc) followed by a protection dog training seminar. Its near lakeside on a private sports ground. 9am-5pm. Jon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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