Alex Arrigone 24 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) hi lads, just needed some advice on lamping, so far we have been using white light, it works a treat to spot the rabbits but they tend to run off straight away or be out of range. i was looking at buying night vison (ATN MK330 Warrior Night Vision Rifle Scope) however the reviews are pretty bad to be honest and it seems like a lot to spend for a poor turn out. my mate said that we should try red light instead of white. is this just an old rumhour or is it better than white light? i'm kinda looking for pros and cons of it. i think it wont work due to the filter massively reducing visibility and clarity? do rabbits not notice red light? cheers for the help! Edited January 15, 2011 by Alex Arrigone Quote Link to post
hunter1989 91 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 hi matey i use white for spotting and red for shooting them as for the night vision i can answer as i have nver heard of it you cab buy a red lamp mount batterys ect for £35 on ebay buddy. i will find the link and post on here ath steve Quote Link to post
rossy08 33 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 i find that the white light of my lamp is ok but i now use a red filter. as you walk around you eyes become more acustom to the dark and you get your "night vision" flick the lamp on and bang its gone,and befor you no it you'v just walked into the neares tree. i find that the red filter shows more than enough for the ranges that i can shoot at night and do's not affect my vision like the white light. as your eyes arnt going from dark to bright light every 2 mins. re the bunnies they seam to be less sceard of the red than the white and are more prone to sit up and take the lead thats on offer. just my thoughts Andy 1 Quote Link to post
davyt63 1,839 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 hi buddy i use a red filter when lamping,and do pretty well i also use night vision,and scope cam night vision. i seem to get better results from my night vision than i do lamping with a red filter! i find that if you lamp the permission to often ,then the quarry will get lamp shy,and you will loose them. you can try a different filter each time ,to try and confuse them but the other colours green,blue,yellow.are a bit hard on the eye( for me personally) so my answer would be a dedicated night vision scope,if you have the funds!! PS.you could always get a dimmer switch,and static shoot within your zero! regards davy Quote Link to post
zini 1,939 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 (edited) Hi Alex, The simple answer to your thread is yes red light works very well on rabbits mate. White light will also work in areas well that as not been lamped much and the rabbits are not lamp shy. Against common believe and what you were saying yourself, the lower the light in terms of lumens or candela the better it is for lamping rabbits with an air rifle. Far too many people try to lamp rabbits with a powerful lamp and wonder why the rabbits run off a lot before a shot is achieved. A lamp with a light source that is just enough (power wise) to see the rabbit and cross hairs clearly through the scope is far better than a lamp that illuminates the area to the back of the rabbits and all around it. The rabbit feels a lot calmer and most of the time will not be bothered by the red light on it, giving you an easier shot. Cree have a red LED bulb that fits straight into a Deben Stinger or an Ultra Fire lamp currently on the market that works very well on rabbits. I shot a bunny with mine over Christmas on Newbottle farm and the rabbit just sat looking at me without a care in the world until the .177 Magnum made a hole in its brain. A good tip for you that works brilliantly when you go lamping is as follows: If possible have another brighter lamp with you or a lamp with a dimmer switched attached to it and scan the fields on 3/4 or full power to spot the rabbits at range. You need to be walking into the wind as you do this and ideally in a slight breeze to help hide your scent better, footsteps and movement vibrations through the ground that the rabbits will feel. If its late at night ensure that you walk as close to the hedge row as possible where you know the rabbits have their warrens. This is because the later it is in the night the further a rabbit will venture into a field to eat. If you are between its home due to being next to it warren it will 99% of the time either sit for you or run towards you making for a easier ending shot. Once you have spotted the rabbit at range walk carefully towards it occasionally flicking on the lower powered shooting light with the red filter to ensure that the rabbit is still there and as not moved. Do this until you are within your shooting range, ideally at your zero range so you have no hold over or under to apply. If you can get to within your 1st zero point range 10 to 12 metres with a .22 and 13 to 15 metres with a .177 depending on power, pellet weight, scope height etc then take the shot from there. In a slight breeze the rabbit will sometimes lay down (sitter as we call them) and you can generally get to within 5m to 10m of them for the shot. Once within a comfortable shooting range take the shot in the rabbits kill zone. Hope this helps buddy. Si Edited January 15, 2011 by zini Quote Link to post
HunterBoyTellEm 0 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 a red light is good when the rabbits have become shy of a bright white light. BUT, ive got an ND3 now and for me its the bollocks, although i have heard of other people not getting on with them! Quote Link to post
Alex Arrigone 24 Posted January 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 a red light is good when the rabbits have become shy of a bright white light. BUT, ive got an ND3 now and for me its the bollocks, although i have heard of other people not getting on with them! probaly just me being silly but whats an ND3? and thanks for everyones comment helps a lot, think im going to give the red light a try Quote Link to post
rizla1 122 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 always use red fillter on lamp, dosent spook the rabbits as much, exellant for shooting but wouldnt use it if running a dog Quote Link to post
matt_hooks 188 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 The ND3 is a green laser lamp. They're ok, but a heck of a lot of money for something that can be achieved with a standard torch and a bit of green gel. The red is better because it doesn't take out your night vision as much as white light, and the rabbits see it as different to white light. Now rabbits aren't very good at generalising, so a change of light colour can yield good results, even with seemingly very lamp shy rabbits. Red is also slightly less visible to the rabbit eyesight. The ND3 is a green laser. Now green is around the most visible frequency of light for any mammalian eye, including rabbits. In a way this is good, as it allows you to see well, but bad in that the rabbits are more aware of it. The first few times they'll be ok, not really associating it with danger, but as soon as you've knocked a few over they will begin to be wary of it. That's why it pays to vary the lamp colour when shooting an area heavily. Quote Link to post
ghillies 209 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 hi lads, just needed some advice on lamping, so far we have been using white light, it works a treat to spot the rabbits but they tend to run off straight away or be out of range. i was looking at buying night vison (ATN MK330 Warrior Night Vision Rifle Scope) however the reviews are pretty bad to be honest and it seems like a lot to spend for a poor turn out. my mate said that we should try red light instead of white. is this just an old rumhour or is it better than white light? i'm kinda looking for pros and cons of it. i think it wont work due to the filter massively reducing visibility and clarity? do rabbits not notice red light? cheers for the help! it goes like this....everytime i see that light i get a sharp pain in my butt...or...everytime i see that light someonr gets blown away....and ooo look a human agian..... starts out a really goo dnight shooting, white light 10 million candle power, leaves a black scorch mark on the grass there, th erabbits just arnt bothered. 10 nights on the trot you'll a whit tail disapear at most. so you try a dimmer white light, maybe see a few one night.. then a dwindling light , see a few eyes so on goes the light to see them...panic as every bunnie legs it.. have a rest for a couple of wweeks at least, use a red or an orange you'll have a good night (or a better than a blank) then it dwindles off.. change to the green the blue the white or what ever, dimming brightning etc etc....untill any sight of a light they run. at this point there always try nightvision.... IR gen one, untill they suss the IR, then go gen two wihtout IR.... but yes red or orange works a while, and yup i think it is better long turm.(to the same end of the above though. things may not be able to see a colour but a million candle lamp dunn-arf hurt your eyeball, or yes they can see light intencity...) rabbits/deer cant see orange, rats not red(aparently) rabbit see in the greens, rats see at twichlights best in the UV region, and have poor eyes day and night, but still manage to see by day ok in my exsprience lol. i will repeat though, they can see light inencity............................a mirrion watts in your eyeball with your retina's whide open?? that'll reck wont it. (the find the shiney thing in your hands...the bigger it is the easier and sooner they suss it. even down to the unoticable red IR torch face, the one you see from at least 100 yards away instantly at night if you look in that general direction) Quote Link to post
terrierjohn 49 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 yes the filters do make a difference but just like the white beam the rabbits etc soon get used to it(the ones that get away) so it is good to have the different colour filters and use a different one each time you are out Quote Link to post
zaktarin 1 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 hi lads, just needed some advice on lamping, so far we have been using white light, it works a treat to spot the rabbits but they tend to run off straight away or be out of range. i was looking at buying night vison (ATN MK330 Warrior Night Vision Rifle Scope) however the reviews are pretty bad to be honest and it seems like a lot to spend for a poor turn out. my mate said that we should try red light instead of white. is this just an old rumhour or is it better than white light? i'm kinda looking for pros and cons of it. i think it wont work due to the filter massively reducing visibility and clarity? do rabbits not notice red light? cheers for the help! it goes like this....everytime i see that light i get a sharp pain in my butt...or...everytime i see that light someonr gets blown away....and ooo look a human agian..... starts out a really goo dnight shooting, white light 10 million candle power, leaves a black scorch mark on the grass there, th erabbits just arnt bothered. 10 nights on the trot you'll a whit tail disapear at most. so you try a dimmer white light, maybe see a few one night.. then a dwindling light , see a few eyes so on goes the light to see them...panic as every bunnie legs it.. have a rest for a couple of wweeks at least, use a red or an orange you'll have a good night (or a better than a blank) then it dwindles off.. change to the green the blue the white or what ever, dimming brightning etc etc....untill any sight of a light they run. at this point there always try nightvision.... IR gen one, untill they suss the IR, then go gen two wihtout IR.... but yes red or orange works a while, and yup i think it is better long turm.(to the same end of the above though. things may not be able to see a colour but a million candle lamp dunn-arf hurt your eyeball, or yes they can see light intencity...) rabbits/deer cant see orange, rats not red(aparently) rabbit see in the greens, rats see at twichlights best in the UV region, and have poor eyes day and night, but still manage to see by day ok in my exsprience lol. i will repeat though, they can see light inencity............................a mirrion watts in your eyeball with your retina's whide open?? that'll reck wont it. (the find the shiney thing in your hands...the bigger it is the easier and sooner they suss it. even down to the unoticable red IR torch face, the one you see from at least 100 yards away instantly at night if you look in that general direction) If the Rabbit doesn't see Orange, should we not just use Orange the whole time for them? Quote Link to post
bull101 35 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 red filter is a must for shooting rabbits imo! it also give's an ideal range of light for the air rifle. just give the field a quick scan whith out the filter to get a rough idea of where the rab's are then backon to get up to them! it also comes in handy for spotting them in cover. imo night vision definietly has some advantages! but lets be honest its for the boy's who like to pretend they are S.A.S........ Quote Link to post
jackthepatterdale 1 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 hi i have a red filter they good but you need a good eye to see with the as its hard through the scope Quote Link to post
major1 6 Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 just use a normal lamp mate just try and keep the beam just under them it works well for me ive killed many of foxes like that with me dogs aswell pre ban Quote Link to post
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