gav22 24 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 i had a bitch puo on sun nite i had to take 5 of them away from her cos her milk was bad when im feeding them it is a bit messy i rub them with baby wipes after feeding but there coats are getting sticky is it safe to wash them in luke warm water and dry them off they are under a heat lamp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
runforyourlife 361 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Well i would say water is far less dangerous that wet wipes to thier skin....... How did you know that there mothers milk was bad, if i may ask? Why dont you just pick each one up and wrap then in a towel as you feed them, so that the milk doesnt run down the pup, then it isnt a mess, and you have solved your cleaning problem.... This is a very strange question. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Cant you just put them back into the bitch? Its her job to keep them clean! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 3,709 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 i had a bitch puo on sun nite i had to take 5 of them away from her cos her milk was bad when im feeding them it is a bit messy i rub them with baby wipes after feeding but there coats are getting sticky is it safe to wash them in luke warm water and dry them off they are under a heat lamp i dont think you have given the bitch chance if i have understood you post correctly then the pups are only 3 days old now .. not sure why you think the milks no good if you have only taken part of the litter away from her going back to the origonal question the last time i hand fed a pup i used a human baby bottle & put a premature baby teat on it.. the flow was just right at the 3 day old stage so there was hardly any spillage of milk i toileted the pup with damp cotton wool & used the same to wipe the pup down after feeds Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gav22 24 Posted September 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 (edited) she has had 3 litters in her life and only one pup of the first litter survived she had been taken to the vets a few weeks ago and got tablets and a jab the ver said they would be fine now this is the last time she is being bread from shes getting on in years she had 9 and 1 was dead and i took 5 off her and the 3 that she was left with were dead yesterday morning theres no probs with the toilet part i was just wondering if would be ok to bath them Edited September 22, 2010 by gav22 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wxm 1,638 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 she has had 3 litters in her life and only one pup of the first litter survived she had been taken to the vets a few weeks ago and got tablets and a jab the ver said they would be fine now this is the last time she is being bread from shes getting on in years she had 9 and 1 was dead and i took 5 off her and the 3 that she was left with were dead yesterday morning theres no probs with the toilet part i was just wondering if would be ok to bath them jus out of interest how old is the bitch??? another thing does no 1 have a litter at the moment that you can put the pups on?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Buttermilk Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 she has had 3 litters in her life and only one pup of the first litter survived she had been taken to the vets a few weeks ago and got tablets and a jab the ver said they would be fine now this is the last time she is being bread from shes getting on in years she had 9 and 1 was dead and i took 5 off her and the 3 that she was left with were dead yesterday morning theres no probs with the toilet part i was just wondering if would be ok to bath them I wouldn't 'bath' them they may be susceptible to chills. I agree with RFYL...wrap them in a towel to feed them...then there's no issue with spillage. Also if you're feeding them with the correct bottle/teat, there shouldn't be too many spills.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wild Whippies 11 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 she has had 3 litters in her life and only one pup of the first litter survived she had been taken to the vets a few weeks ago and got tablets and a jab the ver said they would be fine now this is the last time she is being bread from shes getting on in years she had 9 and 1 was dead and i took 5 off her and the 3 that she was left with were dead yesterday morning theres no probs with the toilet part i was just wondering if would be ok to bath them Was the jab for herpes infection? Quite common with litters loosing a lot of pups within first 48hrs? Generally low birth numbers/ still borns or failure to conceive are other clues. From what I recall, I think treatment is best prior to conception but pointless me mentioning this now. Is the bitches milk bloody of are her teats overtly hot or lumpy? i.e. mastitis? What's the symptoms of the pups? It's a shame your loosing pups but their symptoms and the time period with which their dying in are clues, please discuss with your vet. There are various treatments that could give the pups a fighting chance and if your spending every waking hour handrearing you need all the hope you can get. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hannah4181 260 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Will the bitch not clean them after you've fed them? Supervised perhaps if your worried. I've reared a few pups by hand and always used a MIkki bottle, never needed to clean them afterwards, if you get them suckling properly and are using the correct apperatus there shouldn't be much mess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gav22 24 Posted September 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 yes that was the jab i got synulox tablets as well i have got a little bottle now there is no probs with them dribbling anymore they are doing really well cheers for the advice Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gav22 24 Posted September 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 she has had 3 litters in her life and only one pup of the first litter survived she had been taken to the vets a few weeks ago and got tablets and a jab the ver said they would be fine now this is the last time she is being bread from shes getting on in years she had 9 and 1 was dead and i took 5 off her and the 3 that she was left with were dead yesterday morning theres no probs with the toilet part i was just wondering if would be ok to bath them jus out of interest how old is the bitch??? another thing does no 1 have a litter at the moment that you can put the pups on?? the bitch is 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
runforyourlife 361 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 10! dont you thuink thats a bit old... maybe she should be left to be happy in her old age.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gav22 24 Posted September 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 10! dont you thuink thats a bit old... maybe she should be left to be happy in her old age.. thats why its our last chance to get pups and she is being left alone the pups are in a box under a heatlamp in my spare room Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jf1970 328 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 10! dont you thuink thats a bit old... maybe she should be left to be happy in her old age.. thats why its our last chance to get pups and she is being left alone the pups are in a box under a heatlamp in my spare room didn't really answer the question rfyl asked,i think 10 is to old for a bitch to have pups,just because you have taken the pups away from her doesn't mean it's ok,still puts her under alot of stress.don't think you really thought this one through,not having a go mate,cheers......john Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wild Whippies 11 Posted September 22, 2010 Report Share Posted September 22, 2010 Main issues with a geriatric bitch, difficulties with labour if unfit, slow progression through labour stages, poor milk production and eclampsia. If the bitch is relatively fit, is not prematurely aged (like the case can be with some pedigree dogs) and the owner is vigilant there is no reason why it should end up a complete disaster. It's not ideal, the risks are higher but lecturing right from wrong will not save the bitch or the pups. Pups have already been lost in this litter, I'd like to think that alone is enough heartache without us giving criticism. If you are desperate to get these pups thriving and seeing as though you took the risk of lining the bitch knowing her age, I'd suspect you are desperate then some advice, Get some digital scales and get weighing these pups ASAP. Weight gain is great, maintaining the same weight is ok and weight loss is a big risk. You really need the bitch to give them at least some milk, even if you have to hold the pups onto the teat, it will give them immunity. Those pups that have been removed from the bitch immediately after birth run the risk of not receiving colostrum, they're particularly vulnerable. If the breasts are all infected with mastititis get her treated by a vet. If they're ''turning'' as it were, express the teat gently till white milk flows, if you've got a lively pup get them on cos they'll do a far better job than you will. Just ensure it's not pus that's flowing before you do. Use a decent milk replacer, by that I mean one from the vets. Warm it to the correct temperature, too cold will cause chilling of the pup, too hot could burn the pup or deter it from suckling. Always make up fresh supplement, don't reheat. Every little counts, pups don't need to be guzzling tons of milk and if they do and the bottle is too free flowing there's a risk of them breathing milk onto their lungs. Literally, a couple of millilitres per feed is enough. Tube feeding is best left to the experts, vets in some cases will show you exactly what to do and get you to have a go to see if your competant. When they've fed, blood flows to the stomach, their limbs will feel colder. They can get a chill so ensure the room is warm. I've usually put the pup under my jumper after feeding and gently moved them round. The reason being is when your bitch is cleaning these pups all the flopping about and twisting around whilst suckling stops milk from stagnating in the gut. This combined with warmth stops an opportunistic bacteria taking hold. Ideally the bitch giving them a wash will get rid of milk deposits and encourage them to toilet. It's also doing her some good because she will be feeling anxiety if a) she's lost pups already and she's had the remainder taken away from her. Don't forget this bitch has had pups before, she's not a novice so give her a chance. Try and keep the air in the room humid. Wet towels on radiators or steaming a kettle in a corner of the room helps. The humidity can decrease the risk of dehydration and help pups expel any mucous / milk that may be on their lungs. It shouldn't be a sauna so don't go mad if you use a kettle! Check the pups for dehydration by gently pinching the back of the neck. If the skin stays stuck up you need to contact the vet. They may suggest electrolytes in the supplement, glucose etc. Don't try a DIY job, get the vets input. The vet can also provide you with a powder (sorry forgot the name at the mo) that you mix with a little plain yoghurt and literally wipe a little into their mouths. It's a probiotic powder and might be worth asking them about. If you loose any more pups some options depending on how willing you, your vet and your bank balance are, immediate post mortem of a dead pup can give you some answers. consider plasma transfusion from a recently vaccinated dog if viral cause suspected. Consider intensive care / incubation with vets. Good luck! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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