boxing day shoot

[stubby 175]

myself and chris88 had arranged to go out today, both of us with guns to try out, he's just purchased an o/u and me with a hatsan semi,well we got over the rape around 8am, set out the deeks and magnet and put up the hide, this was to be a tottally new learning curve for me, as up untill today Ive only ever used the pedretti hushpower, which you aim/point totally different to a ribbed shotgun, you can appreciate how quite a hushpower really is, when you then start shooting a normal gun, my first trip out next week, will be to buy ear defenders

 

we were getting birds coming down to the magnet, but neither of us could hit a barn door but if was fun, until the magnets battery ran out of oomph Id forgot to recharge it, and once that was gone, the pidgeons just did'nt seem to want to come down, there was shooters on other fields too, so they were staying high, return home around noon, having got two pidgeons with the hatsan

 

Im well pleased with it, have only put one box of carts through it as yet 32g x 67mm and not one jam, cycled lovely,

 

[coldweld 65]

Do you know how lucky you are to have survived a full box of cart's through an escort ?

 

Glad you had a fun day ! Make sure you swing through the birds, It's all to easy to poke at decoyed pigeon.

 

ATB coldweld

[stubby 175]

Do you know how lucky you are to have survived a full box of cart's through an escort ?

 

 

have read up lots of posts with for and against arguments with the hatsans, as some say, you get the odd few with faults, and then everyone slates them all, a bit like skodas used to be classed as shite, but everyone wanted them, a cheap basic car

Ive looked at other forums and this one, there was a post on guns that people were glad to get shot off, and funnily enough, hatsans wernt the only ones there, so other guns do have there faults, but costing more, maybe owners are less prone to tell everyone

[coldweld 65]

I have an escort is is perfect for hide shooting ! I paid £200 for it and it has not let me down in two years of abuse . When it is knak*** i will buy another .

[ratty789 0]

I have an escort is is perfect for hide shooting ! I paid £200 for it and it has not let me down in two years of abuse . When it is knak*** i will buy another .

 

i have a hatsan and my son he,s had 500 cartridges through his (mine) and no problems yet!!

[stubby 175]

I have an escort is is perfect for hide shooting ! I paid £200 for it and it has not let me down in two years of abuse . When it is knak*** i will buy another .

 

sorry coldweld, thought you were slating them,lol

maybe I should make a "hatsan escort fan club"

[waidmann 105]

my mate bought one a couple of weeks ago and has tested it with a few different carts and has not had a jam yet, a cheap gun which is as new. perfect for pigeon,duck and geese.

atb for the new year lads.

[Deker 3,450]

I have an escort is is perfect for hide shooting ! I paid £200 for it and it has not let me down in two years of abuse . When it is knak*** i will buy another .

 

sorry coldweld, thought you were slating them,lol

maybe I should make a "hatsan escort fan club"

 

 

 

Chaps..my position on the Escort is well documented and clear for all to see, I understand there have been some improvements and inevitably there will be the odd one that works. I paint a clear and honest picture from experience, and, as has also been documented on this site, others share similar experiences. It is another side of the story and needs telling to get an overall opinion. That is what reviews and sites like this are about! The Hatsan does, without any doubt, have more than it's fair share of problems!

 

I cannot help but think a Hatsan Escort Fan Club will have slightly less members than the French War Heroes Club!

[stubby 175]

I have an escort is is perfect for hide shooting ! I paid £200 for it and it has not let me down in two years of abuse . When it is knak*** i will buy another .

 

sorry coldweld, thought you were slating them,lol

maybe I should make a "hatsan escort fan club"

 

 

 

Chaps..my position on the Escort is well documented and clear for all to see, I understand there have been some improvements and inevitably there will be the odd one that works. I paint a clear and honest picture from experience, and, as has also been documented on this site, others share similar experiences. It is another side of the story and needs telling to get an overall opinion. That is what reviews and sites like this are about! The Hatsan does, without any doubt, have more than it's fair share of problems!

 

I cannot help but think a Hatsan Escort Fan Club will have slightly less members than the French War Heroes Club!

 

for and against is good, if all you read were good reports, you'd automatically think it was too good to be true and the low price, the jamming problem is documented in the handbook, so they are not trying to hide it, but Ive also read, other makes of semi's suffer this as well, so its not only hatsans

now Im definatly no expert of semi's, but just sitting here thinking about it, they use gas from the spent cartridge to re cock and load the next cart?

thus a 3 1/2 chamber, (approx 87mm) should be used with a longer cart, people then use 67mm carts, which in my head is 20mm too short, where does the gas port line up with a cartridge, it would make sense that if using a shorter cart meant the hole was not in line with end of cart, less pressure would be used, thus not re cocking the gun, leading to jam's, if that makes sense

with a 3" chamber (75mm) a 67mm cart is only 8mm short and maybe thats why not so much of a problem, as using a heavy load, gives it the oomph to make up the 8mm

Im imagining that this gun was produced for "turkish" farmers as a cheap rough gun, would they have had the same variety on carts that we have, or would it have been a bog standard cart

[Deker 3,450]

I have an escort is is perfect for hide shooting ! I paid £200 for it and it has not let me down in two years of abuse . When it is knak*** i will buy another .

 

sorry coldweld, thought you were slating them,lol

maybe I should make a "hatsan escort fan club"

 

 

 

Chaps..my position on the Escort is well documented and clear for all to see, I understand there have been some improvements and inevitably there will be the odd one that works. I paint a clear and honest picture from experience, and, as has also been documented on this site, others share similar experiences. It is another side of the story and needs telling to get an overall opinion. That is what reviews and sites like this are about! The Hatsan does, without any doubt, have more than it's fair share of problems!

 

I cannot help but think a Hatsan Escort Fan Club will have slightly less members than the French War Heroes Club!

 

for and against is good, if all you read were good reports, you'd automatically think it was too good to be true and the low price, the jamming problem is documented in the handbook, so they are not trying to hide it, but Ive also read, other makes of semi's suffer this as well, so its not only hatsans

now Im definatly no expert of semi's, but just sitting here thinking about it, they use gas from the spent cartridge to re cock and load the next cart?

thus a 3 1/2 chamber, (approx 87mm) should be used with a longer cart, people then use 67mm carts, which in my head is 20mm too short, where does the gas port line up with a cartridge, it would make sense that if using a shorter cart meant the hole was not in line with end of cart, less pressure would be used, thus not re cocking the gun, leading to jam's, if that makes sense

with a 3" chamber (75mm) a 67mm cart is only 8mm short and maybe thats why not so much of a problem, as using a heavy load, gives it the oomph to make up the 8mm

Im imagining that this gun was produced for "turkish" farmers as a cheap rough gun, would they have had the same variety on carts that we have, or would it have been a bog standard cart

 

Gas ports tend to be about a 1/3 of the way up the barrel, usually towards the end of the forend!

 

Many Semis suffer cycling problems, this "tends" to be caused by poor cleaning/maintenance and using a light or low recoil cartridge. The problems is seldom caused by the length of the cartridge in other semis.

 

The cycling problem with the Hatsan stems from an overall "Cheap" design and manifests itself in the magazine cartridge stop catch not activating quick enough and not stopping the next cartridge! You will find it is not the "loaded" cartridge that is a problem, or ejecting the spent cartridge, the gun simply tries to load 2 cartridges if they are too short!

 

I accept the gun is budget, and the manufacturers point out the cycling problem, so this has to be accepted (although not clever), the real issues comes with the overall design and in particular the quality of materials used, workmanship and quality control!

 

If the only problem the Hatsans ever had was short cartridges then I would not see it as a major issue!!

[stubby 175]

 

 

Many Semis suffer cycling problems, this "tends" to be caused by poor cleaning/maintenance and using a light or low recoil cartridge. The problems is seldom caused by the length of the cartridge in other semis.

 

The cycling problem with the Hatsan stems from an overall "Cheap" design and manifests itself in the magazine cartridge stop catch not activating quick enough and not stopping the next cartridge! You will find it is not the "loaded" cartridge that is a problem, or ejecting the spent cartridge, the gun simply tries to load 2 cartridges if they are too short!

 

I accept the gun is budget, and the manufacturers point out the cycling problem, so this has to be accepted (although not clever), the real issues comes with the overall design and in particular the quality of materials used, workmanship and quality control!

 

If the only problem the Hatsans ever had was short cartridges then I would not see it as a major issue!!

 

 

so the majority of your dislike for them, is, if Im reading your statement correct,is from user error by owners, Im not the best person for cleaning, so thats something I'll have to address myself, and shorter carts, another thing that new owners can easily correct

leaving the quality of materials and workmanship, surely as a cheap rough gun, budget priced from new, this has to be expected

and as for quality control, surely that could be blamed on the dealership seller each individual gun, as they would be inspecting it, before selling, if something was amiss, would'ent you expect them to notice it first, Im sure they dont just sell them boxed, without inspection first

[mandog 36]

My escort will cycle down to 2 1/2 inch cartridge and 21 grams. No probs there but the overall quality is not as good as some. The rib goes over to the left of the barrel so i have to take no notice of it while i'm shooting.

[masmiffy 82]

Have look at this site www.hatsan.com.tr.

I like the look of the o/u shame they aint ejector!

Mind the pcp's dont look half bad either!

[Deker 3,450]

 

 

Many Semis suffer cycling problems, this "tends" to be caused by poor cleaning/maintenance and using a light or low recoil cartridge. The problems is seldom caused by the length of the cartridge in other semis.

 

The cycling problem with the Hatsan stems from an overall "Cheap" design and manifests itself in the magazine cartridge stop catch not activating quick enough and not stopping the next cartridge! You will find it is not the "loaded" cartridge that is a problem, or ejecting the spent cartridge, the gun simply tries to load 2 cartridges if they are too short!

 

I accept the gun is budget, and the manufacturers point out the cycling problem, so this has to be accepted (although not clever), the real issues comes with the overall design and in particular the quality of materials used, workmanship and quality control!

 

If the only problem the Hatsans ever had was short cartridges then I would not see it as a major issue!!

 

 

so the majority of your dislike for them, is, if Im reading your statement correct,is from user error by owners, Im not the best person for cleaning, so thats something I'll have to address myself, and shorter carts, another thing that new owners can easily correct

leaving the quality of materials and workmanship, surely as a cheap rough gun, budget priced from new, this has to be expected

and as for quality control, surely that could be blamed on the dealership seller each individual gun, as they would be inspecting it, before selling, if something was amiss, would'ent you expect them to notice it first, Im sure they dont just sell them boxed, without inspection first

 

This shotgun suffers the same issues as all semi plus a whole load more, there will be as many user errors with this as any gun, that is not the issue at all!!

 

The problem with THIS cheap gun is that the quality of design, workmanship and quality control not only produces a shotgun with more than it's fair share of operational problems it is also potentially UNSAFE!

 

The barrel blew on mine, this was caused by the chokes being a larger internal diameter to the barrel, this left a step at the end of the barrel and took it out, this problem was also found on a replacement sent, this is how we established the problem. I also had another barrel which Edgar Bros sent which had approx 2mm forward back movement on the action, by this time I had learnt a lot about them and when the 3rd whole gun replacement arrived I sent it all back and gave up.

 

Yes they do sell them out of the box, and even with my issues Edgar Bros didn't even bother checking them when they sent replacements!

 

Like I have said many a time, everyone knows my position on this gun and why, when you are stood next to a shotgun and the barrel lets go you tend to form an unfavourable impression! And when the UK distributor does his best to play dumb you get even more ticked off!

 

And this is not a one off situation, 2 more people people mentioned their barrels blew and another mentioned the whole barrel flew off the action when fired, etc, etc!!

 

So, words of advice, stick your finger in the barrel and make sure there is a seemless joint between barrel and choke.

 

Hold the barrel and action firmly and pull/push apart and see if there is movement!

 

Do make sure it's not loaded.

 

If you have any of these issues then take it back...quick!

 

If all that is ok, then your only problem is the unreliability issues and cycling issues, overall, far to many potential issues, even for a cheap gun, in my book!

 

But that is my experience, I do understand others love them and get on with them!

 

For me, NEVER again!!

Edited December 28, 2009 by Deker

[stubby 175]

some good points there deker, good advice for any newcomer

at least if they carry out checks mentioned, anything else could be ironed out as they go along (maintance/cart sizes)