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Posts posted by David Aiken
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i,m not sure either but I thought it only covered game birds,?I thought it was only illegal to use artificial light to shoot them?
Some confusion with regard to the DEFRA and general licence: As I understand it's okay to use the setting Sun or Moon (silhouette) AND okay with permission to lamp if it's an artificial roost, like a farm building, but NOT a tree? I maybe wrong?
This is the daft point, when roosting a Pigeon becomes a game bird?
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I thought it was only illegal to use artificial light to shoot them?
Some confusion with regard to the DEFRA and general licence: As I understand it's okay to use the setting Sun or Moon (silhouette) AND okay with permission to lamp if it's an artificial roost, like a farm building, but NOT a tree? I maybe wrong?
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Confused . com! I thought it was illegal to shoot Wood Pigeons while they roost at night? Either either lamped or un-lamped? I maybe wrong?
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The other night I was out shooting with my FAC HW80 .22. I hit a rabbit clean through the head at 30 yards and the pellet went on to thump against a metal barn wall about
yards further on. Had that been a .22 rimfire round it would have certainly gone into the barn wall. Perhaps through it and damaged a vehicle inside. Or worse and killed someone.
Had anyone been around in the way, the pellet would have hurt them. The bullet could have killed them.
A sub-12 ft/lb .22 pellet would have remained inside the rabbits head and imparted massive lethal expansion and shock. Killing it instantly. No further risk of travel beyond. Job done.
Both rifle types have their roles on the shooting field. But there cannot be a "one-versus-another" scenario. Nothing beats a .22LR Rimfire or 17 HMR for rabbits at 70 yards and over beyond in good open country with no close boundaries to watch for. But nothing beats an air rifle (regardless of preferred calibre ) when it comes to shooting at 20 to 50 yards around meadows and paddocks and woodland; and theres a risky situation regarding buildings, people and roads and traffic in the vacinity of your boundaries.
It's commonsense use here. Both are unbeatable in their right environs
I beg to differ, I've shot FAC air and Sub 12ft/lb at 30 yard and had the pellet go through a Rabbit's head, whereas when I've shot rabbits with Eley Sub, which are expanding .22lr ammunition the bullet has not, it has expanded, lost energy in doing so and remained in the Rabbit's head.
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Don't think it's trying to prove anything its just a vid I saw and thaught it may be of interest to someone. My shooting partner had a remington 597 .22 lr and we found my fac airgun was more accurate and opened up more safe shooting opertunitys for a shot than the .22 lr. Personaly think I prefer the airgun. It an interesting video.
Total agree, my Anschutz 1417 is a great gun and delivers a .22 sub in side a 10p coin at 25 yards. However, my HW100 can easily shoot through the same hole at 25 yards and in calm conditions hit a 5p at 50 yards.
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I can't see what they are trying to prove? So an experienced springer shooter can shoot at 25/50 yards (indoor/no wind). Let's see the same test at 100 yards in a breezy field, or a penetration test on ballistic gel! I wounder if we'd pick up the springer for plus 100 yard rabbit shots?
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People spend too much time worrying about zero range on small caliber rifles.
Mine are;
HW100 .22 @ 12ft lbs: 25 yards.
Webley Patriot .25 @ 31ft lbs: 25 yards.
Anschutz 1417 @ 98ft lbs: 25 yards
Not until my Browning T-Bolt in .17hmr do I change to 100 yard zero.
I think some people, especially inexperienced shooters, are a little unsure of what they are doing and just need a little like-for-like guidance as to how other lads set their rifles up David. It's a lot easier for those of us who've been doing this for so long it's just a matter of instinct as to how to set up our scopes for the kind of shooting we are setting out to undertake.
So, my guidance is;
Set you zero to the distance at which you regularly shoot 50% of your quarry. ie, for my .22 air, .22 FAC air and .22lr most of my rabbits are shot at 25 yards (50%). (5% at 15-25 yards, 15% at 25-35 yards, 15% at 35-45 yards, 5% at 45-55 yards, 5% at 55-65 and 5% at 65-75) 75-85 range is unusual so is omitted from my figures as I would use the .17 hmr for over 75 yards. Yes, I can and have shot .22lr at 125 yards on rabbits, but this is not my regular distance, so my zero stays at 25 yards. Although I shoot .223 at 200-250 yards, my regular distance is 100 yards, so this is my zero. This make sense to me, not sure if it will work for others?
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People spend too much time worrying about zero range on small caliber rifles.
Mine are;
HW100 .22 @ 12ft lbs: 25 yards.
Webley Patriot .25 @ 31ft lbs: 25 yards.
Anschutz 1417 @ 98ft lbs: 25 yards
Not until my Browning T-Bolt in .17hmr do I change to 100 yard zero.
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Its because of the mild winters the rabbits are breeding earlier and later resulting in more litters
I'm not sure low number due to mild winters apply to my permissions? The rabbit population was remarkably low until mid July. I went to a permission last week which is only 2 acres and counted 34 rabbits, so added to the amount in the burrow numbers must be rather high.
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Get a fox calibre its simple! I can't stand reading this crap about conditions being right and we all know people will push the boundaries. Have a little professionalism and humaneness and make sure you do everything you can to lessen the chances of the animal suffering or being injured.
"Oh look there's a fox... hmm it's night time let me assess the distance oh and with this pissy little round i better check wind drift too, ah seems ok, fire!"
Let me put it another way... if someone is going to shoot me I want them to get the job done, not die later through wounding or suffocate on blood in the airways.
And if your going to be shot do you really want to starve to death with a smashed jaw in intense pain?
Really think about that.
Its that simple there's no argument.
My license has fox on my hmr. I'm confident shooting foxes with my hmr. I have shot many foxes with my hmr. I consider it a decent fox gun. As for windage and distance surely you take that into account with any caliber gun on any quarry ? I have a 22 250 does that mean if I'm out with that I can shoot fox from here to tim buck two? I've also shot foxes at around 40 yard with 22 250. Is this overkill should I have went home and got the hmr. Hmr will shoot for to a certain distance comfy.
I to have .17 HMR conditioned for fox, I do not consider it a decent fox round. Yes it kills fox, but is not as say my .223 a decent fox round. Just because the FAC say so, don't make it right. My .233 is open and conditioned for deer, yet in scotland it okay for roe but not in England. Just because the Scottish Parliament say you can, won't make a .223 a decent roe deer round, but of course, it will kill a roe deer. Who right on that one?
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Other than practical shotgun is there there really any need for S1 shotgun
I have a pigeon shoot where the plowed field is 18" from a 10`x100` brick wall. I can't use a hide and can't put decoys out so have to shoot standing. First shot the pigeons take off leaving two shots, they don't come back. Hence my application for section 1 shotgun, 8 shots remaining after the first shot to scatter the birds. So in answer, there are sometimes good reasons. Oh and of course the good old BR99, that's a good enough reason ;-)
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How did you get a section 1 shotgun if you don't know what one is? You must have applied for a section 1 shotgun and have a good reason to acquire one as is the case with any firearm?
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Hi all,
My name is Ben Thomson, 26 from Steyning, West Sussex, I currently hold an SGC and my own guns, i would like to find a permission to start shooting on be it pigeon, crow, rabbit or charlie! Once gained i would also like to apply for my FAC.
Any tips, advice, or offers would be most appreciated. Thank you for your time.
Many thanks.
Ben.
Hi Ben, this is my post from another `permission wanted`:
Although knocking on doors is best I must say I picked up 2 permissions from ads placed on forum sites and in gun shops this year. One good place is farm wholesalers, the one who sell feed, fencing etc. They generally have `free` ad boards. Get some nicely printed cards and place a few ads ;-)
Try these: http://www.shootingcards.co.uk/
There should be plenty of farm wholesalers in your area, good luck ;-)
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25 yards. Good distance and most ranges have a 25 yard range.
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I've had mine for four and a half years. Never missed a beat, throws 21g 8' and 27g 15'. Took it on holiday this year and put two slabs through it with no problems.
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My safe is 14" deep 24" wide and 65" high ;-)
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now guys, still looking for permission for, all airgun and shotgun quarry, full basc member own transport anywhere in the north east, 54 years young any help would be greatly apprecated thanks in advance guys,. fingers crossed
Good luck mate but it's like knitting fog getting permission around here lost my 2 best perms owing to farmers selling up then spent months knocking on doors only to be verbally abused, threatened and a host of other things one farmer said he would shoot the dog in the back of the land rover if I didint get off his property seriously thought about packing the whole lot in picked a couple of small perms up now and hopefully a bigger one come the start of the season don't think anybody on here is going to give you there perm better get out knocking on doors but be prepared for a lot of abuse and disappointment.
Although knocking on doors is best I must say I picked up 2 permissions from ads placed on forum sites in gun shops this year. One good place is farm wholesalers, the one who sell feed, fencing etc. They generally have `free` ad boards. Get some nicely printed cards and place a few ads ;-)
Try these: http://www.shootingcards.co.uk/
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Depends on the gun and scope. My Anschutz 1417 takes up more room with its 40mm scope than my 17hmr t-bolt with its 50mm scope.
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No, they are fine to eat. You sometimes find them in farm eggs.
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Can be a lack of water. If it's not a young birds (settling in) it can be an older bird slowing its egg production.
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Well Done Sir Ian. About time someone took Chris 'extremist' Packham on :-)
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Thanks lads. It literally is only for feral pigeon, pigeon and crow.
If you are unlucky FEO will check the level of quarry, if they turn up on a lean quarry day it can affect your chance of a FAC
Also, you can't lend a section 1 as easily as a section 2. Some clay grounds won't allow a section 1. Some quarry can't be shot with a section 1. I would keep the SGC going, even if you don't want to own a section 2 at the moment.
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Thanks lads. It literally is only for feral pigeon, pigeon and crow.
If you are unlucky FEO will check the level of quarry, if they turn up on a lean quarry day it can affect your chance of a FAC
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I joined a club and went down the practical route.
Pidgeon Headshot
in Catapult & Slingshot Hunting
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This is from a forum sight dedicated to Woodpigeon, not sure where the law stands?
"Shooting any birds at night is illegal, whethar its with lamp or natural light, they become game birds, like phesants"