[Dorset’s getting hot again]

ime in lincs the public will swallow all the propaganda straight  down the crops being ploughed in is rape because of flea beetle attack, because the pesticide is banned.

[Litters ?]

3 hours ago, ianm said:

Coursing bred dogs are a law unto themselves. Years ago i bought a strong dog pup out of a litter that on paper was one of the best matings available. When you looked at him you would think he would be able to run and kill plenty of good hares. By the time he was twenty two months old he still hadn't killed one and didn't even look like doing so. He didn't have enough pace to get to a hare never mind pressure it. His father was Buddy and the bitch was a well bred and well tested bitch. A while later a got a three quarter Greyhound One quarter Saluki bitch at twelve months old. She had plenty of pace and often straight lined a hare and killed it. Then one day when she was about three she ran up to a hare and turned off it after having killed one half an hour earlier. I left her off the lead and started walking back to my vehicle. Ten minutes later she put one up herself and killed it after three turns. She did the turning off them thing a couple more times over the next year and i believe she could tell they where good hares and wanted no part of them. I gave her away as a pet. Over the years i learned one thing with coursing dogs and that is nothing is certain or guaranteed. 

I bred a litter of three quarter grey quarter saluki mine dint jack but if it went   more than a  minuet you could see em running out of steam like yours they looked impressive at times both mine killed themselves.

[Litters ?]

1 minute ago, thefensarefarbutistillgo said:

I don’t like really closely bred stuff for that reason and they also seem to loose speed when to inbred, mad when you outcross to pure saluki a lot of the time they turn out faster than either parent, hybrid vigour again I think 

agree with that, when I bred first crosses they were fast as fook and some three quarters I bred off fred were the same, the old saluki lurchers we bred in the seventys were faster straight off the pure.

[Litters ?]

the amount of work a dog dose or dose not do will not make it produce a jacker, as hull said he produced his from good dogs, some have it some don't.

[Litters ?]

16 minutes ago, Shadow100 said:

Think he means pulling up 

perhaps never heard the term that's all, i never bred a jacker but I have owned one, he could do two jack then kill the next three,  I put up with it because it was rare he did it,  and I liked him, got hit by a car in the end nice dog, but never breed from it. just to add dogs will jack for a million reasons, but I believe some lines have a jack gene built in.

[Litters ?]

18 hours ago, mC HULL said:

One sickened me most was one i bred fast good mouth picture to look at started doing the arc I pts smooth red sable never go near another i said lol then ended up with a pup this year same colour but feathered lol it happens again o no its the colour lol 

whats doing the arc never heard that term mc

[Mudhol hound]

3 hours ago, shaaark said:

Reading a bit more into when and where from, the romani first came to britain, I believe you're more than likely correct mooch.

But I can't understand, or find, any real evidence of, if they actually did, english/british crusaders bringing saluki types back to britain with them in the 12th century.

 

even if they did the land  was so different, coursing as we know it would be for rich only, and romany would be interested in pot filling, that they would soon die out, and when the official first saluki import took place they were  only interested in the pure breed, so to me no impact until, the working man got his hands on it.

[Litters ?]

11 hours ago, Shadow100 said:

I’ve tried a few mate wasn’t keen, I had one out of romeo could run a bit but had worst feet I’ve ever seen on a dog constantly needed time off, and it jacked in the end was a heartless thing couldn’t hack proper work. I had one out of PG Jamie as well that was a lovely dog real well behaved, great eater etc just a nice dog to have about, but it was so steady it couldn’t even bend stubble hares that sickened me tbh cause I really liked the dog.

Problem with a lot of them they’re bred out of dogs that’s not done much work so if you try and give them a lot they can’t cope. If you know decent lads that graft their dogs hard you’ll see some good ones though the mother to my pup is coursing bred and there’s not a man in the country that wouldn’t be proud to own her.

shadow was the pp one bred from that lucky rubbish ?

[coursing dog cross lurcher]

whats the father to you pup mate, your old dog was bred by a good mate of mine saw several of that litter run.

[Mudhol hound]

sandymere will know all about them, he be along soon.

[Saluki blood]

52 minutes ago, sandymere said:

Yes, romans here in force until 410 Ad and a strong presence for a fair while, Moors in Spain 700 so not long after, both spent a fair time occupying to the territories. Due to the influx of north African dogs the galgo has genetic links to Sloughi's whereas the greyhound has no links  to any of the ancient middle east/Mediterranean breeds, it's pretty unique other than some links to some of the northern breeds  from Poland etc which is likely a modern infusion. The Iberian Celts where famed for their coursing dogs as described by the Greek writer Arrian of the Roman period and we had the Spanish legion based in the UK then Germany so the most likely influx would have been from Spain but there is no trace of genetic material from galgos in the modern greyhound either. It would appear the modern greyhound is unique in its uniqueness. Most likely, other than the odd random over the centuries, the saluki is a modern player in the British coursing scene, well modern to one of my years.

In all likelihood prior to modern coursing with driven hares over prepared running ground, park coursing and then racing there would have been no need for a dash of salukis as the greyhound of the day would have had more stamina and better feet but these were lost with the changes mentioned till we have a racing machine rather than the coursing hound of the past. 

whats in the greyhound then

[Saluki blood]

58 minutes ago, sandymere said:

Not clever just use a bit of common sense, much as the modern army the average joe based in a far off land doesn't have much opportunity bring a dog on a campaign, even once settled the legionnaires slept in bunks 8 to a room although they would have had relationships even families in the nearest town with locals where keeping a dog would be a possibility.

The officers likely would have a more favourable life ang might have brought dogs from their home lands, those in Europe were pretty much based there from their creation for the campaigns, so other than the Spanish most were roman citizens who came from Rome and it environs to Europe and would have little opportunity to find a saluki. If it was different we would see the results in the genetic makeup of greyhounds much as we can see the Sloughi  in Galgos from the Moorish invasion of Spain.

I never said I was a soldier just a roman lol, and we know there would not be many, the question was when did they reach the uk, its all speculation, would dna still show up 2000 years on

[Saluki blood]

10 hours ago, sandymere said:

I'd expect so but the odd one isn't going to have much of an impact when the average roman soldiers wouldn't have the ability to take dogs on their travels so would likely have used local dogs in the area they were based. 

 

10 hours ago, sandymere said:

I'd expect so but the odd one isn't going to have much of an impact when the average roman soldiers wouldn't have the ability to take dogs on their travels so would likely have used local dogs in the area they were based. 

yeh ok clever cnut

[coursing dog cross lurcher]

3 minutes ago, tatsblisters said:

Its the best way to go imho to produce very versatile lurchers .A bitch i had bred out of the caithness dogs to a well known coursing dog called the beast.

nice, was that pauls beast, what were the Caithness dogs

[Saluki blood]

so if I was a roman and saw a saluki and liked it I would not have got one and brought it to another country then.

[coursing dog cross lurcher]

1 minute ago, mC HULL said:

All the old linebread coursing stuff is saluki lurcher but ye I agree straight Sal grey not my cup a tea 

different altogether, what I am on about is coursing dog cross traditional lurcher, I see the outcome being more like how we began and more suited to my needs now, possibly a bit less full on.

[Saluki blood]

2 hours ago, Gilbey said:

1840 "officially" but it's thought that they brought them back from the crusades 

my thoughts are that saluki blooded dogs as the working class sportsman has come to know them would be the 1960s and   from then the development of coursing lurchers.

[Saluki blood]

1 hour ago, sandymere said:

The romans likely brought sight hounds from the Mediterranean area but there isn't sign of any recent introductions in greyhound genetics, the English greyhound is a comparative newbie in sighthound terms that has evolved from herding types. Perhaps the Romans brought hares and hare coursing to Britain and when they left the locals developed their own sighthound, the English greyhound. It would appear the Britain's of the period had some panache re dogs being famed for having plenty of big powerful hounds for hunting and war so once they had some hares to chase and a taste for the sport developing a purpose bred sighthound wouldn't have been to much for them.

romans were in the middle east so likely had them, Britain in those days may not have suited the sal style, ,i would of thought all  our ancient visitors would of brought some kind of dog, all early people used them.

[coursing dog cross lurcher]

1 hour ago, Daniel cain said:

I think if I was to take a litter from my bitch, then I'd be looking for a fast type coursing dog to go over her, lighten up the pups, hopefullyadd  more gears and stamina.... Maybe? Maybe not?  

when people add greyhound to speed things up or lighten things up, stamina drops, at least coursing blood wont do that.

[coursing dog cross lurcher]

when I first started most saluki crosses were with knock about lurhers as that was what lads were running, adding saluki pepped them up, seemed to take them to another level, and of course line breeding created the coursing dog, it would be nice to take a step back my originals were a mix of bedlington greyhound whippet and saluki so I will prob us a decent beddy gray, two seventys bitches line bred from my original bitch fly both small but mighty the lighter coloured bitch killed several foxs in fine style just had a knack..

[Jack the lad.]

4 minutes ago, Mr Wilkes said:

Cheers mate. He’s impressed me so far especially with him a saluki lurcher . I just need to find some sheep to break him to now .

nice pup how is it bred mr wilks

[coursing dog cross lurcher]

2 minutes ago, Shadow100 said:

4 month old bitch bred that way, her mother is coursing bred but used for all sorts, not an out and out hare coursing dog.

nice thing whats father like and how it bred

[coursing dog cross lurcher]

is anyone using this type as a general dog for a bit of alsorts, I started with something like this and in the present climate might bread something like that again.

[Lurchers and Thermal]

9 hours ago, Loton Moocher said:

Old ways always the easiest and the best , if you know your stuff a wire is cheaper and it works addmit it can be indiscriminate but some things kill more lambs than others so 2 birds with one stone if ya know what i mean 

everything has a place, sometimes you need all the tools in the box, old and new. 

[Lurchers and Thermal]

everything changes and new things are always criticised, who wants old heavy batteries, lamping its self even, no doubt, I see nothing wrong with thermal but the price, you still have to work with  the land and the weather, I have a small nv add on for foxing fits in your hand weighs nothing and with the built in ir you can see stuff clearly enough for a lamping aid with the dog.