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  1. I bred a litter of Kelpie cross Greyhounds a couple of years ago .. sire was a working kelpie imported .. bit rough with sheep but a decent enough dog , the dam was an open winning greyhound bitch .. litter was all black and ranged from 23 - 27 inches , racy and a good shape .
  2. I often read threads concerning collie crosses with a degree of confusion . More to do with the sometimes negative comments that relate to the border collie , and often mention is made of the far superior ,, Alsatian , Kelpie , ACD etc . The negative comments make me question what experience the naysayers have of the Border collie and in most cases , I believe statements are based on some previosu negative comment , and not practical experience . We run nearly a thousand ewes and if we were looking for a guaranteed working Animal , then I would not consider any of the others .. the exception perhaps being the Kelpie , but in truth its easier to find a good working border than any other breed .. especially in the UK . The correct lines and working type are bright , very bright capable of thinking for themselves and learning very quickly from experiences . They are brave … will face down bulls and bullocks and the most obstinate rams .. ok there are some that will not … but please remember that more borders are worked on stock in the Uk than any other ,, and the proportion of failures is less than say an ACD or a beardie . What then are the alternatives and how do they compare . The Beardie , a local farmer has a couple and suggests they serve him well , true working types , but these are far and few , and truthfully to source one would be some task . The Kelpie , a favourite of mine , I bred a litter of half cross pups last summer and Run a bitch from the litter at present , natural , with a great instinct . However whereas their numbers on farms have increased over the last 20 years , they are still quite a rarity , there are good ones and would be second to the Border in the Uk ,,, pretty much the same as in their native Australia . The ACD , I could not find a working line of ACD’s … and they are few and far in their homeland as well ,, interested to hear if there are any ACD’s that will work as intended . But you would not buy one if your livelihood depended on it . Alsatian , not really a stock dog anymore , hip problems etc . Ok if used for guard work , very bright . Belgian Malinois , I really like these dogs , in terms of appearance , again not a working cattle or sheep dog anymore , so not tested in that manner . Huntaway … bloody big , and with a serious bark ,, might translate into a decent lurcher ,, however as a general purpose stock dog in the UK … limited The border Collie … from the right working lines , they have stamina , intelligence , are tough mentally and physically . And the most used stock dog in the world from Austaralia to Argentina and the UK to the US Farmers are rarely fanciers , and they select on working abilities alone , its an evolutionary thing , they pick the strongest and most purposeful for the work And its no coincidence that they reside on every continent in the world . All breeds and strains have their pluses and negatives , and no doubt there are dogs out there who can prove the above wrong , but generally !!!!! If I was looking for a dog to earn a living with as a shepherd / Stockhandler then the Border is still number one … mind I do like the Kelpie !
  3. Last time I was on here, mr Gaz was quite forthright in his opinions , based on what he says he must be at least years old ......more than likely he's probably about 20 !!!! But with an opinion that exceeds his experience . The more breeds that goes into a mix the more variable the mix , in both physical appearance and mental aptitude . FFs bull , saluki , collie , greyhound with a bit of wheaten , Whippet etc . The outcome is so fecking random that you will rarely or never replicate the parents even if they were good . Buy some pigeons Good to see that you place some value on a soft mouth though !
  4. That's quite poor if there are 20 traits above hard mouth - A rabbit catching lurcher is meant to catch for the pot - for yours or others . A complete rabbit hunting lurcher is not complete unless it retrieves , and preferably alive . There are instances where even a soft mouth dog with enthusiasm will kill and bruise badly , not every catch is going to result in a perfectly alive rabbit ......... that's the truth . But if every rabbit back is crunched and left where it is , then what the hells the point of a dog . Its just a very poorly trained (if at all ) dog that's fast ... to call it a lurcher is pushing it ! . Nothing better than a dog running back with a nice healthy and alive rabbit in its mouth , certainly adds something to the dogs qualities . It would depress me to own a dog that habitually crunched and did not retrieve rabbits . I have had one or two over the years that had hard mouths , and whereas they were good enough at the the other aspects , they were less than they could have been . Anyway I always like to justify my Rabbit hunting with using the animal who's life I have taken , and a rabbit that's crunched to hell is not one that gives the best eating in my book ! Just my simple thoughts .
  5. Can't help thinking that some of the fools leaving this country to join Isis , must be shocked and shitting themselves , when they witness the level of barbarism . From a quiet street in Manchester ( or wherever ) to witnessing women , kids being cut in half for not converting to Islam . They must be regretting making the journey . Some no doubt will be getting involved , and those deserve the wrath of us all . The uk and all civilised nations should be looking to wipe these medieval loons from the face of the earth . I don't believe that they ( IS) will ever succeed in the long term , but at least we know where they are , when the west finally wakes up and deals with it , they will spread like a virus back to their countries , and that's when the problem could start .
  6. We trapped a Polecat this spring , and allowed him to cover jills . The kits are definitely sharper than a pure ferret , we have been handling them a lot and their ok . they are just more aware , alert and fearful than ferrets would be , not biters (yet ! ) . They are very fast and have a surprising turn of speed . I have not tried them yet as they are still quite young . I don't expect them to be as easy as ferrets . Why did we breed them ? more an experiment and we had a wild polecat in our traps , I have heard good stories and bad . Time will tell . It may be the second or third generation that prove to be more usable if we decide to breed from them . If anyone considers breeding them , I would suggest that the mother needs to be a ferret and not a wild polecat , it allows the young to be handled from birth and the chance to get them tamer . I have heard stories of Wild jills , which would mean not being able to really handle the kits until they are a little older , and I always think animals look to their mothers response , and their behaviour is modelled very much on what they see (to a certain extent - Genetics will instill certain characteristics that no amount of handling can overcome . The polecat was released after a few weeks . I believe he was a pure , he would hide up all day , and in the evening would be pulling on the wires , beautiful animals , we have quite a few locally . I have trapped a fair few over the years (in pursuit of Mink ) , and will always release them unharmed . Thanks
  7. I agree with Jukel123 , which way round does not really matter . As long as both parents have good temperament !. The bitch does have a greater impact on the pups for the simple reason that she rears them , and a bitch that is sensible and calm , would be a more important consideration than whether the dam is a collie or a greyhound . Just my thoughts !
  8. I think as long as the collie comes from a good line of hill / farm type collies , then one could get some decent pups . The work he now does demands thought and ability . Big fan of the working Hill / farm collie as opposed to your more trial type stuff - they are often over excitable and too intense . The old collie lines used around a working mixed hill farm in my opinion is as good as any collie type to be found anywhere . Most farmers are poor trainers , and yet they usually have a collie or two who excel despite their owners . Working the farm for cattle and sheep on the hill or around the farm , they usually have to think for themselves . As opposed to receiving coherent instruction ! When they get it wrong , they are usually made aware and therefore learn what is required next time . Up to 20 years ago I used to help walk 4-500 ewes to market along the country lanes , and the ability of our canine companions to be in the right place at the right time was always uncanny . this was often done instinctively as well as through instruction . Any dogs that failed to meet the required standards , was either permanently on a chain or worse ! the best were bred from and a pup kept . they see stock from a young age , and learn the rudiments quite early . These free thinking dogs are in my opinion the kind of dogs one should breed from - An uncle has a small family of decent collies based on an old reliable bitch that was one of the most instinctive dogs I have seen . He use to say that he could send her from the farm and she would deliver the sheep to where she thought he wanted them without his presence . Best of luck
  9. Phil You were indeed fortunate to have a mentor of that calibre . He also wrote in a manner that was easily understood , and clearly showed his understanding of dogs . Always enjoy flicking through the book occasionally to this day .
  10. I once bought a book for 50p from a second hand stall , "the Farmers Dog " by John Holmes ( the dog trainer and not he of the appendage ! ) , a really informative book , that describes instinct , and mental characteristics . Temperament and intelligence is a good chapter on the fact that an intelligent dog can also have a bad temperament . Good book , and one that clarified the confusion in my mind caused by the collie period of the 80's . Where collie good , others bad . Though I do like a collie . An honest appraisal of ones personality , would probably help us all In choosing a dog whose temperament would suit - better still ask the wife !
  11. I tried long lining on a beach few years back . Got there as the tide was coming in , set the line and baited about 50 hooks , fixed the line on plywood boards both ends ( dug into the sand ) . Me my mrs and 3 kids (all under 5 ) 6 am , counting the catch as we set it down !!!! . Returned as the tide went out - only to find all the baits covered in crabs . I did not float the line , but it could well have been because it was a poor location . Haven't tried it since ! , any advice greatly welcome , as I am not a fisherman , the idea of food for the table is what appeals , and I would really like give it a go again . Thanks
  12. How old is she ? Do you have access to racing pigeons ? If so get a shopping basket , and place the bird under it . Attach a length of baler twine some 30 m long . Hide the basket in some rushes . Work your bitch up to it with the wind blowing in her face . She is likely to run straight in first time , if she does then make sure you pull the basket over well before she reaches it , releasing the bird . You can do this a number of times or you can try and slow her down with a check cord , holding her back , she should then realise with experience that a wild run in , results in a disappearing bird . But a more cautious approach results in her getting closer and the potential to catch . Once she points , get alongside her and stroke her this should help her hold her point for a little longer . A lurcher should not hold an indefinite point , as its merely a pause before a pounce . Once she points for a short time , stop this exercise . Then get her on ground that holds pheasant ! I had a GPS lurcher many years ago , and she would catch pheasant after a short point which she used as. Means to locate the precise location of the bird , before the pounce ! . As a Pup she was encouraged to sight point a birds wing on a Fishing rod . When she chased it was whisked quickly away , when she stalked it stayed . Good luck . It's the ultimate skill in my humble opinion .
  13. Why is it such an issue that hancock breeds collie lurchers commercially ? . I do what I do , and look to maximise my return at every opportunity ( I try and maintain an ethical stance in doing so ) . Greyhounds are raced and bred and the breeders are in it to make money , they also get a buzz in breeding good dogs . the farmer keeps the Collie , to work the sheep so that he can make money from sheep . People write books , magazine articles sell hunting products etc to make money . It's all a bit hypocritical really . I admire any man that works hard and looks to keep his family from his own endeavours . I do not admire the layabout or the sponger . As long as the animals are well fed and looked after , I really don't see why everyone gets so animated .in reality , the best lurcher trainers on this forum receiving a hancock pup from 8 weeks old , should end up with a reasonable dog - there will be exceptions , but poor dogs exist from lurcher to lurcher matings as well. The anti hancock garb is really rather silly and unscientific . If they do not suit or the collie is not what you want , why try and destroy the guys business .Just don't buy one !!! I'll refer to greyhounds once again . Greyhounds are graded from 10 down to 1 , 10 being the slowest . After 1 , the dogs become open class - these are generally the best . I was once told that the chance of getting an open pup was very rare , perhaps 30 to 1 . Therefore in breeding lurchers , are we expecting too much that all pups should be great workers ! I have no axe to grind or the desire to promote anyone . I did buy a hancock lurcher some 20 years ago , Barry sharp also had his litter brother , both were difficult dogs , both were from Rufus I believe . Highly intelligent , but with poor temperament . A friend had a beardie cross , which was excellent . It could have been me , but to then judge all Hancock lurchers on these , would be unfair . I am sure that many lurchermen had good Rufus lurchers . Kind regards
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