Tiercel I always have said that regards to being smarter than lads who don't like um lol. Have seen plenty go seen some absolute shite to big not in proportion with its body and poor all round this was off Hancock. Have seen others which I would own in a heart beat I seen one dog used for what bull crosses are used for and worked woth terriers week in week out and he was bang on . I think the problem is people don't give them a try , they hear horror story's and are not interested of a lad bred a litter from hard working collie crosses they be spot on but its finding them . Always have a soft