i was on a hare shoot when i shot my first one, it came through the line, my dad was next to me, he hit it with both barrels in the chest, i then gave it on ein the chest and lost sight of it, went to find it and it was still alive in a dyke, with 3 lots of 32gram 4's in it from about 30 yards, so it got 1 more barrel at about 5 yards. that sorted it. so i for one now they take some stopping!