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Outstanding collection and handywork
I have two sitting in the cabinet, awaiting restoration, both by local gunmakers.
Time and expertise are needed first though
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This is a handy link https://basc.org.uk/firearms/visiting-the-uk-to-shoot/
You will need a UK Visitors Firearms pass for a drilling and more than likely an EU Firearms Pass from the Norwegian authorities.
The drilling's rifle calibre of 7x57 is legal for all deer in the UK but the shotgun element of the drilling could not be used in any circumstances for deer (perhaps of course humane despatch of a wounded beast).
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If it's a grade 3 and you get it for around a grand you're doing well. I would expect a dealer to sell them around the 1200-1500 mark for one in very good condition.
Used to see one quite regularly with someone at a clay ground, like all Mirokus it shot well and I've always had a Miroku of some sort.
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You often hear RFDs saying that it's due to the USA not wanting to export much because of home grown demand.
Almost every round of HMR ammunition is made by CCI in the USA for every manufacturer to their own specification. The only one I think has it's own rimfire plant is Winchester.
So if the Yanks don't want to export it, then we come second and have little back up.
Haven't heard any rumours about the HSE/Quality Control issues but they're long established issues with the HMR because of the way it's made. Could equally be that.
When I was in the States recently, there was hardly anything on the shelf in some places, perhaps demand is outstripping supply there.
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How big is this patch? 1 inch or 2 inch square?
If it is now completely invisible along the line of sight, perhaps it won't cause any further problems for you.
It should get carbonated by the shots going through the moderator and be stuck to the side somewhere.
Just a thought before you melt your moderator with meths
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Ok matey that has helped alot so shooting rights is this the person whom has had the land checked over by the police from the start?
Shooting rights are a bit of a quirky British law that often surprises people.
Basically, the right to hunt, fish or shoot can be sold separately to the actual land. So I could own the shooting rights on a piece of land that you have the deeds to and still be able to enter it and shoot across or on it without you being able to do anything about it.
Normally, land is sold with shooting, fishing or hunting rights included so the owner holds them and can give permission.
You need to find out if the landowner holds the shooting rights, if he does then ask him for permission. If he doesn't, find out who does and ask them.
Shooting rights can of course be leased. If so, then the lessee can also grant permission.
Confused?
since were talking rabbit here, isn't the occupier of the land legaly allowed to control rabbits anyway? its usually game shooting/deer stalking rights that are sold or leased seperatly.
I was under the same impression as you until I checked before posting and this paragraph had me edging on the side of caution, taken from the above link;
When you can shoot rabbitsIf you are the occupier of land you can shoot rabbits on your land during the day and can authorise in writing one other person to do so. That person must be part of your household, one of your staff, or be employed for reward to specifically control the rabbits.
If the owner of the shooting rights for your land does not agree to destroy the rabbits themselves nor allow you to use extra shooters, you can apply to Natural England for authority to do so.
Wildlife LicensingNatural England
First Floor
Temple Quay House
2 The Square
Bristol
BS1 6DG
Emailwildlife@naturalengland.org.uk
Telephone020 802 61089
You can shoot rabbits at night only if you are:
- an owner/occupier with shooting rights
- a landlord/landlady who has reserved their shooting rights
- a shooting tenant not in occupation who has derived the shooting rights from the owner
- an occupier, or one other person authorised by the occupier in writing, where the occupier has written authority from someone with the shooting rights
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Ok matey that has helped alot so shooting rights is this the person whom has had the land checked over by the police from the start?
Shooting rights are a bit of a quirky British law that often surprises people.
Basically, the right to hunt, fish or shoot can be sold separately to the actual land. So I could own the shooting rights on a piece of land that you have the deeds to and still be able to enter it and shoot across or on it without you being able to do anything about it.
Normally, land is sold with shooting, fishing or hunting rights included so the owner holds them and can give permission.
You need to find out if the landowner holds the shooting rights, if he does then ask him for permission. If he doesn't, find out who does and ask them.
Shooting rights can of course be leased. If so, then the lessee can also grant permission.
Confused?
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Basically, the land owner has a duty to control rabbits.
The only person who can authorise you to shoot there is the owner of the shooting rights. This could the land owner or a separate entity.
If the owner of the shooting rights refuses you/the tenant permission to control the rabbits, then you can apply to Natural England for authority to do so.
All things here;
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CZ
Won't let you down whatever you punish it with
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Me neither mate since I phoned and asked if they had some 155gr 30 cal bullets in stock and was told yes. I drove to pick them up and they didn't. Luckily i was sort of passing that way.
Expensive, clueless, money grabbers. I go to a little chap closer to home for my reloading heads, if he hasn't got them, he'll get them.
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Which RFD are you using Walshie?
Had mixed experiences around here
I'm using one back where i used to live as I go to London quite often and he's a very good mate of mine. MBR Sporting.
Ah I see! Was hoping you weren't going to say the one I had in mind, you'd be waiting until 2020
They all come through Edgars and he doesn't deal with them, so he's getting it from SGC who get it from Edgars. It's actually a few quid less than me buying direct from SGC.Every little helps
Can't say I've been impressed at all with the SGC in Newport.
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Which RFD are you using Walshie?
Had mixed experiences around here
I'm using one back where i used to live as I go to London quite often and he's a very good mate of mine. MBR Sporting.
Ah I see! Was hoping you weren't going to say the one I had in mind, you'd be waiting until 2020
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Which RFD are you using Walshie?
Had mixed experiences around here
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It should contain everything known about your UK cautions, convictions etc but just in case you had convictions outside of the UK, they need to be disclosed as well
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Yes, plenty of news but no gun.
i'm holding out for a new CZ. Edgars promised end of May, then June, then July. Apparently it will still be a "couple of weeks."
My RFD is trying to talk me into a Ruger 77 instead as he can get one in in a week but they are £300 more than the stupid CZ.
I'm sure it's worth the wait....or should i have considered another calibre?
.338 Lapua
It's wild in Wales.
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You can include the original subject access forms and just write "Please see attached" or something similar in the box.
No harm in that, you're declaring everything after all. Just be careful there aren't things they've missed.
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Indeed, I like getting into the finer points, for once it is relatively clear. Usually it comes down to untested interpretation with firearms law.
Nothing to stop you shooting foxes with a slug from a smoothbore ML, UD
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Well found SS. That's my interpretation out of the window.
It took me a while! I had to wade through the pages of American black powder enthusiasts shouting "YEEHA!"
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This is the thing and how I ponder it.
I can not buy loaded ammunition of a single projectile or less than five shot unless I have a licence to do so. As assembled cartridges.
But.
I do not need a licence to buy;
1, rifled slugs.
2,ball.
As I won't be assembling any slugs or ball into loaded ammunition I am not breaking any laws and as a muzzleloader does not use ammunition as set out in law I would not be outside of any law if I shot them out of a muzzleloader as there is no distinction of a muzzleloader smoothbore and the use of single projectiles.
No?
From what I've been reading, a muzzleloading shotgun or smoothbore musket firing a single ball is fine and can be held on a shotgun certificate.
A muzzle loading rifle, either antique or modern, if it is to be fired it must be on a Firearms Certificate with the appropriate condition and you can fire shot out of it if you wish...
Provided you aren't loading single projectiles into "ammunition", i.e. cartridges then you can possess and fire them through a smoothbore muzzleloader with impunity.
You could quite legally load a muzzle loading shotgun with 10mm balls and be perfectly legal, whereas in a shotgun cartridge, they would fall under Section 1.
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This site doesn't stipulate where it draws it's information from but I understand the MLAGB to be quite an authority on MLs.
Interesting point about half way down - "Smooth bore reproduction long arms are classified as shotguns even though you intend to fire a single solid projectile from them and not to fire shot. They can be held on a Shotgun Certificate."
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Thanks.
But, do the welsh regs define a shotgun?
The definition on my post was straight from the Regs
Pretty much identical to that of S.2 of the '68 Firearms Act, apart from the 24" part.
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I suppose it would depend on the muzzleloader. Some are clearly rifles, some are clearly shotguns but I suppose some may use large bore muzzleloading rifles to fire shot.
Looking at the Welsh regs, the section title is contradictory in that it says "cartridges";
But the actual wording is "No person shall use lead shot for the purpose of shooting with a shot gun - "
With the definition within the regulations as
- "shot gun" ("gwn cetrys") means a smooth-bore gun but does not include any shot-gun chambered for 9 millimetre or smaller rim-fire cartridges;
For me, that would cover a muzzle-loading shotgun. As for a muzzle-loader rifle, loaded with lead shot, it would appear to not be restricted in any way.
Interesting food for thought.
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A couple of the Vihtavouri powders would bit the bill too.
Expanding Bullet....
in Rimfire, Centrefire & Shotguns
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Aye,
Only 20 odd years for common sense to prevail.