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Posts posted by liamdelaney

  1. 21 minutes ago, Rickshaw swami said:

    The type of working terrier of which I spoke has always been kept mostly by Gangsters,pimps and pugilist.These people generally had more disposable income.Follow the black market money and you will follow the history of apbt.Sad but true as they have always attracted the underworld of society.


    Where I come from they were kept by mostly working class,they were not in it for money,just for the sport and the dogs.I have also been to an old Gentry house with a full shore made to a high standard.

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  2. 36 minutes ago, tinytiger said:

    Would they have been taken over by planters I wonder Liam (Scots- Irish/Ulster Scots/ hillbillies or whatever ).They cleared the Scottish highlands of people a few years before.( Needed them and us for their colonial ambitions)

    More than likely some were,it's also probably the case the people who did not suffer through the famine kept dogs as well.Im only guessing here as it's a mystery to me.

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  3. 2 hours ago, Accip74 said:

    😂 All joking aside I thought it was an interesting point that enough Irish dogs must of survived the famine, the origins of which would of become or already had been some of your most recognisable types & breeds. 

    I have often thought about this as Irish history has been a passion of mine,as said the monument in Dublin is bs as the dog would have been eating long before he got to the boat,there was even reports of Cannibalism,so under these circumstances Lassie would not stand a chance.In theory every dog in Ireland should have been eaten,but this does not seem to have been the case.Just to add the working class English were treated not much better better than the Irish and were often hungry while his Lordship had an abundance of game and wealth,we were all looked on as shit by the English aristocracy.The English showed what they thought of there own working class when they baton charged World War One vets as they marched for better conditions and work.

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  4. On 25/02/2020 at 21:10, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

    Not having it all . 

    The famine was an absolute holocaust. 

    The idea that somehow bull types would have travelled to the new world in coffin ships is quaint but laughable. 

    They would have been eaten. People couldn’t feed their kids and were eating rats and cats in Ireland before the mass exodus , not only to America but to mainland uk predominantly the west coast of Scotland and northern England . 

    All the while prosperous settlers from the highly industrialised midlands ,South Wales  London and agricultural areas of the uk moved en mass to America throughout this period. 

    Who do you seriously think carried the forebears of the apbt? 

    Can’t possibly have been huge swathes of Black Country residents or the cockney gentlemen? 

    I mean it’s not like they had dogs that resembled early bull terriers is it? 

    Oh , Hang on a minute ....

    You are quiet right the starving Irish would have eaten the dog,they ate the rats and cats,even the grass.There is a monument down the docks in Dublin of starving Irish getting the boat to leave,with them is a dog,it's bullshit the dog would be in the pot.

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  5. 23 hours ago, gnipper said:

    I never called them pointless?

     I would imagine though when it gets down to 1/8th though it's barely noticeable, these half crosses I saw regular were staffy sized with a broken coat and docked tails. 

    1\ 8 was just the right mix,then cross back to a 1\ 8 they were game little dogs.

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  6. I know some take the piss out of the American boys at times(my self included in fun)but just imagine the the different game they hunt the whole year round.They have clowns in it for the money but so have we.Plenty on here myself included would love a countryside so enormous and diverse to hunt as they have.

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  7. 17 hours ago, foxdropper said:

    Most lads only breed when there’s a need .im out the breeding game but  having been burnt twice over gifted pups I wouldn’t advice  anyone with any meaningful lines to gift stuff without first knowing the lad and what he’s about .Still at a loss to understand how some lads apparently mad on the game a)haven’t got a line of their own and b)chop and change terriers like my missus buys cloths .

    Surely the aim is find good stock ,work it  ,breed it ,repeat .Not a dig at Dc but he’s an example lol

    happy new year to all 

    Man up FD become the BOSS of your own house,just tell your wife she buys clothes when YOU say so,done it years ago and now as a result  I am tHE BOSS when she is not around.

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  8. 11 minutes ago, Ace Boone coon said:

    You just like to start shit don't you? No I wouldn't be happy. You don't worry about him nor what I send him.  I'm gonna send him a nice dog don't worry.  And I take that back a nice bitch that is! That's close to a year old.  

    Your getting angry with me again,I only asked a question,hope the bitch goes well.Will it have American peds??

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  9. 2 hours ago, Ace Boone coon said:

    Katchum,  not disagreeing with you at all. And I had a littler that i kept so I'm sure I may have what he is Looking for that's all.  And I don't want to here everyone's excuse of why they won't help someone because that's all I hear on this board is excuses.  If your worried about what type of guy this is then go meet him and  take him out for the day and see how he is for yourselves. Not a hard thing to do.  But not as easy as making excuses either I guess!  What will  be funny is this yank sends him a dog and he starts posting pics of his hunts and the dog I send him doing his business.  That's gonna be priceless hearing all of yalls shit then?  I haven't talked to him one on one yet but I'm sure we will.  I have good dog's and I wouldn't send one that's a craper. 

    Will it be priceless if the dog does not do the business??

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  10. 6 minutes ago, Ace Boone coon said:

    Wow,  how would you know if my dogs came from peddlers from over by you?  Pretty big statement seeing you don't know anything about what I fed or keep. Oh that's right I'm a stupid yank that feeds fur curs.  I forgot all us Americans bought and feed all your crappers because everyone that ever sent a dog here sent us there shit dog's.  Dam thanks for reminding me of that.  Lmao!!  Be real funny this guy takes me up on the offer and he ends up with a real nice dog and post for prejudice fucks like you to see!  Because unlike you lowlifes that brag about sending us nothing but crappers,  this yank will make sure he gets a good one😁😁 unlike you guys who brag about robbing us Americans and making your country men look like lowlife for doing so,  this yank will send him a good one!  I'm not a low life like a lot of you young jealous f**k's 😁😁

    ABC your a very angry man,you should talk to your Therapist(I heard most Americans have one) First off I did not say your dogs came from Peddlers,or that you were a stupid Yank(Yank is a derogatory word that insults Americans so I would not use it)I never bragged about sending dogs to the States,nobody would want my dogs in the States,I am not FAMOUS like the people from this side who tell ye how famous they are and how many HOFs they bred,my dogs also have no peds,,so bottom line if I was depending on selling my dogs to the States I would die of starvation.So come on dont be getting excited and calling me a f**k and a lowlife,Im a very sensitive sort of guy.

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  11. I had six pups fourteen months ago,kept one gifted three to my mates,and gifted two to a guy on here(he offered to pay) that I never met before,,because he was a genuine dog man.So Mister Ace Boone,there are plenty of genuine dog men on this site.No disrespect but who the f**k would want a dog from the States,most of it came from Peddlers from over here.

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  12. 20 hours ago, Jaystan said:

    How are you supposed to start a young/inexperienced dog off if all the puppy places, small berry’s you know to are dead and any new ground u go on is obviously unknown 

    is dropping him anywhere really that wreck less or does that depend on the dog?will good dogs take it and  not so good dogs fail  what’s the secret ????????


    The secret is thats a funny question for a lad with two posts.

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  13. 2 hours ago, rob284 said:

    Just as many clowns were at it before the locator! Doubling up, trenching in from the entrance and the use of draw dogs were common practise amongst them. Yes it’s simpler, but progression has made it a lot safer for yourself and the dog, and if you really wanted to test the dog like you say, you can always sit back for a few hours before you dig.

    I disagree,as I said plenty of clowns at it then,but the  high tec locators make it simple,the track suit and fancy runners brigade invaded the country side with terriers and bull lurchers to prove they are macho and that there dogs are macho leaving gates open worrying live stock,never picking up a spent cartridge shell,and leave your sandwich wrappers behind.Just look at FB fellows holding up dead mangled foxes like trophy's with big stupid grins on there face as if they had killed a bear single handed.The locator has made it safer for the dog,I dont know how they made it safer for the man,as for waiting a few hours to test him,yes you could but how many will wait four hours,ten hours,one day,two days to test him before they dig?

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  14. The digging game is very simple now,put the dog in locate him a, few fit men and dig him out,any clown can do it,thats why so many clowns are digging.I started digging with hairy arsed country men in 1966.We put one dog in almost anywhere sometimes it took hours just to locate him,then sometimes it took hours to get him out,sometimes days,the good ones stayed,the bad ones did not come home.We dug them with shovels,JCB,and cango as the need arose.There were plenty of outfits like us,there were also plenty of outfits who were wankers.I sometimes hear people boasting about a dog who done four or five hours,that should not be considered a long dig,it sometimes took us that to find him.IMO the locator is a great tool but it means a dog is not tested like in the pre days,he might get more digs in a season,but is not tested like the dog that gives many hours or days to ground

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  15. 35 minutes ago, rob284 said:

    I don’t know how it’s changed, you have a fox dog for foxes and a badger dog for badgers. The dog you keep depends on the work you do.

    It has changed because badger digging is illegal now,and should be left alone.Baker boy the reason badger diggers did not keep fox dogs if they would walk from the badger they were rated as failures.

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  16. 44 minutes ago, Rat face said:

    Just my opinion but yeah. I would say the decline of the traditional type terrier was more to do with rise of the digging dog. I know when my dad was getting dogs from Frank buck pre change to the digging laws, he's never wanted any of his dogs to go working the big fellows. Now they wasn't wind and piss types and when they did bump into one ( pre change to the laws) the dogs would ruin themselves on them. Due to the fact they was keen. So i wouldn't agree they would give way but didn't have the  ability to hold due to size. 

    Remember the old type of fell type terriers was half size if not less than most of today's digging dogs 

    My views  on the matter is there Is better dogs more suited to the digging game. But would that dog be any good to a Lakeland huntsman after a pack of hounds have hard run a fox into a cragg

    It's simply horses for courses.  one dog will suit one man's sport and not another 

    but opinions are like arseholes everyone has one

    Back in the day when we were digging badgers,if we had a dog that would only stay with fox he was considered useless ,and was giving to fox men.How times have changed.

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  17. Fair play boys,I put dogs into bad places myself down the years, pre locator ,big fairy forts and such places,but I would not put a dog into rock it scares me just to look at it.Many years ago at a dog show in Roscrea the judge from Wales gave best terrier to a scrawny shite looking white dog,we had a few pints after and I asked him why,he explained rock dogs it was the first time I heard that name.Obviously that was his kind of hunting in his terrain in Wales.

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