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  1. When I had a GWP she was excellent in the water & brought geese back for fun. No problems as long as the introduction to water is done correctly. 


    Not sure I would have a GWP purely as a 'Fowling Dog but each to their own.  "Flushing" a fox would have been the last thing it would have done if it was that near to one. 

  2. 18 hours ago, jiggy said:

    I've heard stories of top trialling men not registering pups until the following season so they could enter older dogs in puppy trials and win. I'd say the truth been known then very few dogs have 100% genuine papers all the way back in their ancestry. From bitchs too old to register pups to good dogs been used as stud that never had papers. A lot of paper swapping goes on. I seen a lad selling registered springers that had terriers ears. Very obvious but they still found buyers.

    There are no puppy trials in the UK. You either run against other Novice dogs or against other Open dogs (a Novice can run against Open dogs but you are unlikely to get an entry)

  3. The Guy Wallace book as mentioned is decent. Guy, well you can decide.

    Older but decent is the Michael Brander books (Roughshooters Dog etc)

    Read any books on ALL gundogs and pick the gems from each. Some of the Pointer books are excellent on understanding wind. 😝

  4. Simply, the dog is not trained to a standard where it should be in the field. The longer you continue to let this happen the worse the poor dog will get.


    You do not say what type of dog it is but any dog used should not be that far away from you to need a long line, either in the field or the training pen. In fact I would be surprised if any keeper would allow you to run a long line & train a dog on a shoot day.


    Go back to the beginning , basics, basics & more basics. Do not rush a dog into the field & let it learn / make mistakes in an environment where it can be corrected immediately (live training days / dogging in with keepers permission etc.) A dog getting excited is not an issue but spoiling both a shoot day & the dog is.


    Don't lose heart we all have bad days. As Dave P states a dog sat on its arse won't get much wrong.


    Good Luck.


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  5. (Taken from web)

    Blood training

    It is advisable to get a pup started on blood trailing at an early age, I have started my own pup at about 4ths old, but she has had deer skin and feet to play with since her eyes where open .
    I have found a large syringe (without the needle) is very useful when collecting blood from a carcass, 
    syringe.jpgI also take an empty plastic milk carton with me , the small ones are ideal, they take little room up in the roe sack. Blood can be frozen and kept for many weeks but before I use any blood , fresh or frozen I use a small hand held blender to take out any clots, To start with I use the large syringe to lay the trail. It will only get maybe 12-15 yds, but long enough to start with. As the pup progresses I use an empty washing up liquid bottle. This will be enough blood to lay a good trail. 
    One tip I have is to use markers as you lay the trail, it is so easy to lose the start when you come back with the dog ! markers also help in advanced training to mark turns in the trail etc. I always leave either a deer foot or piece of skin for the pup to play with at he end of the trail, if this is not enough to keep it interested try leaving small pieces of meat or even dried dog food along the trail, with a larger portion of meat or dog food at the end.
  6. What do you want from the Stud?

    What are you looking to try and add to your Bitch to take the breed forward?

    Without knowing what you want to produce or where you want to go how can you pick a Stud?


    Is your bitch too small, need more drive, better coat, softer mouth etc etc



    Decide then look for that.



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  7. I have been fortunate enough to beat on some very big shoots days & the dogs have been the usual mix of spaniels & labs. However when it came to areas we knew to be be holding hundreds of birds in a tiny area the best dog was the terriers used by one of the lads.


    These were dogs used on several of the local hunts so they had no interest in any of the birds and just pottered about gently bumb flushing a few birds at a time.....perfect. Some of them did go a bit AWOL if we came across ground game :laugh:

  8. I think what the original question was how much is a beccleugh springer meaning a springer from the place.like saying I've got a drakeshead Labrador or a deepfleet cocker. Hes not trying to say its any thing different.



    When I enquired about a cocker a few years back they were no dearer that other dogs out of similar breeding (which compared to how the terrier lads operate is still toooooooo dear) & I say that as someone who buys / sells at that same price.

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  9. Well I just googled the breed and it says buccleuch English Springer Spaniel. Fact is English Springer Spaniel. Look at the breeding which includes, arguably, the best recent breeder, Ian Openshaw, so in fact as I said, the name is just a means to an end. This guy is using 3 known lines to comfort himself with a 'New Breed' of spaniel. At the end of the day they are what they are. Why blouse them up. Would you pay more for a buccleuch pup than an ordinary one from the Sporting gun classifieds or Countryman Weekly? I sincerely doubt it.



    Not sure how much mis-information you can put in 1 post but good effort.


    Is Ian Openshaw the best recent breeder of any type of spaniels? I think even Ian would perhaps state not, he is however the most successful trainer of dogs out there.


    "This guy" I assume you are referring to is Davie Lissett? Davie doesn't own the Buccleuch Affix, the Duke does. Davie is a brilliant trainer & one of the nicest blokes you could meet so not sure why you feel the need to slag him off?


    Would I pay more for a Buccleuch pup rather than one out the magazines? That completely depends on the breeding of the pups just as you will pay a premium for a pup from one of the dogs Opie has made up to FTCH.

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