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43 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

Need a dog to run it down tyre it 

Only way it’ll be done, even with the hinds you hear stories of dogs yanking them off their feet but that’s all they are, fairytales. 

[Yes Or No?]

14 minutes ago, Gavo said:

I’ve seen old hunts were hounds run them down then bigger dogs hold them but all the ones I’ve seen as always been in cover never seen or heard of dogs holding them out in fields or stopping them on a run as in lamping them 

Never seen it in fields mate but up Scottish highlands it’s all done on open hill so plenty space for a pair of dogs to chip away at it if they’ve got enough heart & stamina to stay on.

[Yes Or No?]

25 minutes ago, Gavo said:

Red stags 

Both southern & highland can and have been done with 2 dogs. When it comes to highland stags as well bull greyhounds definitely aren’t the dogs for the job.
I think if you had the right dog on the day, and the stag was far enough away from woodland it could be done on the hills single handed, but I’ve never known it to be done yet so can’t say it definitely can be. 

[Yes Or No?]

42 minutes ago, Gavo said:

I’d love to see a dog single handed do one of them IMO I don’t think any dog in open land would hold one bull greyhounds game as can be and like dinosaurs three of them couldn’t do it not going to happen 

You mean a southern one or just any red stag?

[Yes Or No?]

3 hours ago, Greb147 said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13614824/tributes-paid-hunstman-ger-withers-cork-stag/?utm_campaign=sunmainfacebook&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1609442990

 

This is what we are working with here, one's thing is for sure if you're a known hunter you will get no sympathy should you be killed. 

Pet/Park deer far more dangerous, after they lose their fear of humans. Although I have known someone to be charged by a wild sika stag.

[In the trees]

40 minutes ago, poxon said:

One reason to pick a decent lamp partner that’s trustworthy if you want a night out in company an not think everyone in this game is ya mate with this nights out for nights out bull shiyt just because you share the same interest there quick enough to f**k you over given the chance I’ve had it in the past finding some c**t an his mates doing my spot won’t offer nights out or except nights out with randoms at all no more 

If you’ve got 1 good mate in this game to share driving & split fuel money that’s all you need. Any more and you’re just going to get problems I think everyone’s learned the hard way. 

[In the trees]

25 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

You got to be half Hunter half conservationist lol whether rabbit hare if you went coursing same spot every week killing 4 you soon wife land so find 10 different bits hit different spot every time then your not battering them others be running them 2 remember 

Most lads too lazy to look for new spots they get taken to 1 good place then go back behind lads backs and hammer it till it’s f****d

[In the trees]

Whether it’s rabbits, hares, foxes or deer. People that try and hit big numbers every time out, using any method are bad news for future seasons.

[Pure beeds where would you be without them ?]

11 minutes ago, mC HULL said:

I’ve been lucky with feet etc and I run a fair bit on tops stones couple broke on me been snapped legs mate 

I like a bit of mountain hunting so dogs with bad feet just break 

[Pure beeds where would you be without them ?]

8 hours ago, mC HULL said:

Could it be the more heavily inbred the weaker they may become small shite coat injury prone

i be only ever had two that broke down on me you’ll no first season

even dogs same litter some be solid others  weak

 

Could well be that, got to say ones I’ve had that were tight bred weren’t small but the other stuff definitely, bad coat, injury prone etc. It’s not even always injuries like muscular etc but a lot have bad feet or thin skin. Bad feet is a major fault for me tbh if a dogs always got sore feet it shouldn’t be bred from really but plenty have so suppose damage is done by now.

[Pure beeds where would you be without them ?]

3 hours ago, Greb147 said:

I've never had a dog with heavily saturated blood so wouldn't know this. 

The great Brian Plummer claimed many a times that the Saluki and heavily based Saluki lurchers were less prone to injuries due to their running style. 

Is their any truth in this or was it is typical hogwash. It does make sense as heavily saturated Greyhound types get knocked up easily. 

In my experience your first crosses are tough as old boots, but a lot of your line bred coursing stuff can be more fragile. I think reason for that is with the big name line bred stuff there’s been a lot of men bred off injury prone stuff to make a few quid rather than admit they’re no good. Whereas the home bred stuff you don’t get as much of that. That’s just my theory behind it could be way off.

[Pure beeds where would you be without them ?]

15 minutes ago, bird said:

 suppose with all type lurchers  there all need speed to catch there quarry, the only 2 breeds to give it is greyhounds and whippets, salukis and deerhounds only offer stamina, good feet .But   lot of people only use the 2 above breeds, as last resort , as they keep proven line bred lurchers doing well at there jobs, one type stands out to me is american and Oz staghounds , they breed true and very rarely  out cross to greyhounds , as there dogs seem to keep there pace, and dont lack wind for there quarry.Deff drop of greyhound or whippet  will put extra yard in for you , when its needed  though .

Saluki offers more than stamina and good feet. I’ve actually saw plenty saluki lurchers with bad feet. They give a lurcher a running brain that no other cross has, they can predict what something will do & force it to go where it doesn’t want to. The stamina/recovery they give is brilliant but the running brain is what they really add for me. I wouldn’t have a dog without saluki in, but I wouldn’t have one with too much either.

[Hunting trip.. Ella is no longer a Dale's virgin]

13 hours ago, Andrewreynoldshunting said:

Me and Ella decided to have a 3 night hunting trip up north. It worked out we would come back on my birthday, ideal for me to go and see my kids. 

We took three lurchers (Bud, Pip and Trudy) and my two young ferrets (Big rich and Titch).  We started by lamping saturday night, conditions were decent but we struggled getting close enough for slips. We struggled on and caught 7. It was getting on for 4am when we had finished lamping and we had a late start the following day. 

Anyway we pitched up the van on the first day and then headed off out ferreting for a few hours. We caught another 7 ferreting by bolting to the dogs and then we headed back for a bite to eat and chill before shooting that night. 

Checking with the thermal and trying to stalk rabbits on the lamp was harder than anticipated and I only managed to bag one mixy rabbit. We had an earlier bedtime so we could get a better start ferreting the following day.

Again we were bolting to the dogs. We had a great time and filmed the outing. Video coming soon. We took Ella's pup Trudy and my Bud. Bud was spot on with his marking and the dogs made some brilliant catches. We finished on 10. 

We cooked a curry with two rabbits and had a chill before heading back out with the lamp. This time only taking Pip. Again I was filming and we had another decent night considering the lack of chances. Catching another 6. 

It was a cracking trip. 

Thanks for reading. 

 

 

Proper hunting trip nice to see people enjoying a bit of sport and a few days outdoors without the obsession over killing big numbers. 

[Deerhound]

2 hours ago, my hounds said:

Heres my Cooklands bred first cross Deerhound/Greyhound,he was 10yrs last month just under 31tts which to me has not hampered him(watch Axel on Lurcher Mania) he has worked/works certain types of cover plus as a young dog up and at em(more so his litter sister) and and again to me what a length  of stride.He has got very good feet most certainly from the deerhound side,his breeding is out of Trevors Deerhound "Boots" whose sire was Doxhope Knights Errant also Rohanis, Shenvil,Rosslyn lines are in there.On his Greyhound side called "Marys on Tour" in her lines are Honcho,Westmead and Sandman.So i feel theres good breeding there hence i have  decided to have his semen tested and if alls well some frozen and stored in the next few weeks.Heres  some photos one taken a few weeks ago plus one with his litter sister 27tts,atvb My hounds.

Beautiful dogs, they’re not my usual thing but I reckon if a genuine 1st cross litter was on the ground I’d be very tempted

[Deerhound]

14 minutes ago, trenchfoot said:

Platts "deerhound"/Laguna whippet x Platts "deerhound"/Bedlington 8 month old.

 

Lovely that how tall is he?

[Deerhound]

6 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

I've read he doesn't work his dogs. I don't know how many litters he sells per year.

Well I suppose 1 is too many if he’s not working them. Unless he tells people when they enquire that they’re bred out of pets but I don’t imagine he will do.

[Deerhound]

1 hour ago, jukel123 said:

Nobody has posted on this thread anything about Platts deerhound crosses. Anybody care to ?

http://www.davidhancockondogs.com/archives/archive_900_present/912.html

Was platt not a bit of a Hancock type? More of a dog dealer than a dog man?  

[Deerhound]

34 minutes ago, chartpolski said:

This was a mating of a Doxhope blooded deerhound and an Irish coursing bitch Sired by Mafi Magic.

She was quite small for a coursing bitch, only 56 lb.

Id have had a pup, but sadly she didn't take.

Cheers.

 

Don’t hear much about that doxhope blood anymore are they still breeding lurchers? Local lad had a first cross out of doxhope stuff must be 10 years ago now, big dog about 30tts it was fairly capable, think a bitch would be a better choice for an all round lurcher though.

[Deerhound]

Always had a soft spot for the deerhound crosses, just a shame there’s not more people putting them through their paces these days but I suppose you can’t halt progress

[Fit dogs]

On 19/12/2020 at 10:54, mC HULL said:

Shadow won’t like  the pins on this bitch lol 15 month she been spot on

 

Needs a good feed looks a nice place to have a walk

[Yes Or No?]

6 minutes ago, foxdropper said:

Any vids pre ban of course ,or never happened .

f**k showing you anything it would be forwarded straight to CID

[Yes Or No?]

Some places people are very few and far between, west highlands etc, a lot of the more popular well known places you’ll see walkers but it’s a lot to do with weather as well ive found, shitty wet windy days you can be left alone

[Yes Or No?]

18 minutes ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

What dogs are running and Catching hill reds? 
 

the majority would jack before you got to them otherwise . At least with cars you can easily get to it and help out, other than it turning into a disaster 

I really do wonder how these Bands of mystical hill walkers extract from the hill without drawing attention to themselves . 
 

Or like most things , it could just be a crock of shit 

There’s not many that do it, that’s largely because there’s not many men trying it. Believe me though no bullshit I’ve done them myself and seen them done by others dogs it’s not an unachievable task. You just need a durable, experienced deer dog with plenty of wind and you’ll stand a fair chance. Fair play southern reds are much bigger but shining a lamp on them, driving them round in a motor then getting to the dogs straight away after they’ve made contact is a totally different game, the motor will make plenty dogs look better than they are. When the dogs got to run them on their own ground, in daylight, and hold them till you make your way there, there’s no hiding places for a dog you’ll see if it’s truly capable or not. That’s just my take on things from seeing it first hand.

As for extraction I’d say the sensible thing to do would be bone it out and take the meat off the hill in bags, and ditch the carcass somewhere discretely for the crows/foxes/raptors to clean up. All hypothetical of course but that’s what I’d imagine is the best way.

I agree with you though there’s plenty men walk the hills, take picture of their dogs with the garmins on, and try to give the impression they’ve got red deer dogs when they don’t. But that’s not all of them. 

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4 hours ago, THE STIFFMEISTER said:

Aye for a start the hill walkers are weighed down with moody pics of mountain vistas in the background and the deers Get ditched 

Aye and the dogs actually have to run and catch the deer as opposed to being thrown out on one that’s been ran round by a motor till it’s tongues hanging out.

[Yes Or No?]

You’ll get different opinions on red deer depending on who you’re speaking to, there’s a huge difference between running them daytime on mountains & running them with a lamp & a motor.