. I don't think there is any hatred, towards Martin or anyone else here, it's just nice to get other people's idea,s and experiences before parting with your hard earned wedge, that's what the forum is for surely, I doubt I will ever be buying anyone's gear really unless it's in a trade as I like making my own to much, there is something really special about natty,s, I may make 5-6 before I find the one that fits like a glove and hits everything I point at, and you just can't buy that feeling I'm with you on that one mate I like to make my own naturals like u say might not find the right one s