Hunting Fox with Staffordshire Bull Terriers

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Having had or been around working dogs for most of my life, I thought I would put pen to paper in regards to the Staffordshire Bull Terrier and their use in the field. I will try to concentrate only on my experiences with my dogs.

I have had Staffordshire’s for about five years now and they were quite a divergence from the dogs I had previously.Nell Staffordshire Terrier Being a bit naive in terms of what exactly constituted a good example of the breed, I went to see a dog advertised in East London. Now this dog was not advertised as a Stafford, so I kind of fell into owning the dog, despite my head telling me not to. This dog was owned by a family who had kept him outside all of his short life. They had bought him for their eldest son who wanted it to pose with and to guard the corner shop, but when they got the dog home, they couldn’t cope with the natural exuberance of a Stafford pup and they misread it for wildness and aggression. This meant the dog being banished to the garden, with not so much as a kennel. Now obviously, every time one of the family ventured into the garden with food, the dog naturally became excited, jumping up, mouthing, wanting to play. This was met with shrieks of fear and nerves from the family. A vicious circle as the less they went out the less socialised the dog became. After a good few months, the family got so fed up with this dog that they decided that they wanted their garden back. Yours truly answered the advert and was shown, unaccompanied, into the garden whilst the owners watched from the kitchen window. What greeted me was a brindle and white bundle of energy, desperate for some attention and a bit of looking after. As I mentioned earlier, I was under the impression that the dog was other than he was in terms of the breed, but call me a soft bastard if you like, I couldn’t leave the poor bugger there. We came to an agreement and the papers were signed, and off I drove with my new dog.

Hunting Stafford

Taking the dog from Ilford into the heart of the Kent countryside was the best thing I could have done and I never once regretted buying him. Well maybe once, when he ripped my Victorian bird’s egg collecting books to shreds. But that was soon forgiven. As I said, I had no real experience of what this breed can do in the field, so I decided that we would just mooch about on the land and see what was what.

The first thing I noticed was that his prey drive was phenomenal and he would chase anything.Nell With Fox. Naturally I had to try and direct this away from stock and try to focus it on what was at hand. I would say that it was an ordeal and one I don’t really consider 100% successful. He still checks to see if I am looking when we walk through a field of sheep. After he got the idea of what was expected of him, he started using his nose a lot more. He is a first rate finder and uses his brains as well as his nose to track. He started marking rats in the river banks and soon was trying to dig down to them. From there he graduated to rabbits and then to fox.

It wasn’t long after this that we decided that we were going to get another Stafford, but this time, we’d look about a bit more and try to get a nice b*tch from proven working stock. Now I am a bit choosy when it comes to dogs and there is a huge variation in Staffords. I personally don’t care much for the over bully ones, or the short legged type, preferring the small, terrier type above all. A bitch was found which was off working parents and she was taken home to meet the dog. Now a lot of people have trouble housing two of these dogs together and I was no different. Things came to a head one day and the inevitable happened. Far from being the start of something terrible, the reverse was actually true. They seemed to establish a kind of pecking order and they haven’t had a cross word since – touch wood.

Gotcha

The test now was to see how the bitch would take to hunting and whether she would work in a team with the dog. Being a bitch, she is naturally a bit more clingy and doesn’t hunt up as well as I would have liked. The dog ranges out and chases a scent, whereas the bitch will only chase what she comes across. As an interesting side note, the dog opens up when he is onto something – one for Vimmy there! I honestly believe that without the dog, my little team wouldn’t catch half of what we do now, as the bitch doesn’t work for it like he does. I wouldn’t call her lazy, but she just doesn’t hunt up as I would like her to.

Having spoken to a few lads over the years about hunting with Stafford’s, some of them come back with the argument that Stafford’s can’t catch foxes. Well given an open field and any sort of law, I totally agree. But where I hunt, I have very few open fields, the majority of my permission is small orchards, dense coppiced woodland and scrub. I have seen my dogs catch foxes on this type of land time and time again as they push the fox into mistakes, which are often fatal. Once a Stafford has gotten hold of a fox, it is game over. Some people have asked me to catch them foxes so that they can try their dogs on them, but they are totally missing the point. For a Stafford to locate, chase and catch a fox, in my eyes is far more of an accomplishment than a Stafford killing one. These people are not entertained.

Fox Taken By Terrier.The Bitch will mark a wood pigeon roosting in the tree which is a real bonus for me. I didn’t realise what she was doing at first, but she stands there looking up into the hedge or tree, stock still, pointing with her muzzle. A few pebbles into the leaves and a woody will fly out. It still amazes me.

Clean Dispatch

Over the years, we have caught all manner of fur and feather and had great fun doing it. I realise that there are better and more suited breeds for the job at hand, but I enjoy seeing these dogs work so I will carry on with them. I have had better dogs in the past and I hope to have better dogs in the future (don’t we all!) but for now, they’ll do.

Up until now I have dwelled by and large on my dogs positive points, so I will now try to expound on their negative qualities as a hunting dog.

First and foremost, they are (generally speaking) too large for most earth work, and too small for being any good at consistently catching anything. I have had mine out lamping and they catch the odd rabbit here and there, but if you are going to be doing anything remotely seriously, leave these dogs alone. If you want a pot filler or a fox killing machine, or indeed a deer dog, there are a number of specialist breeds and crosses out there. Anything my dogs retrieve is only fit for the ferrets anyway as they have such a hard mouth that everything is peppered with puncture wounds. I know I am preaching to the choir here but I hope you know what I am trying to say.

Then there is their propensity to be quarrelsome with each other. Mine get along because the dog is totally subservient to the bitch. Given this mostly harmonious relationship, there still are niggles, petty jealousies and squabbles, especially when a catch has been made. The dog aggression is something I could live without, but hey, that’s what they have been bred for after all! Keep a breaking stick in that poacher’s pocket!

Working Staffordshire Bull Terriers

Working Staffordshire Bull Terriers

I have found their noses to be fairly good, with proper encouragement of course. Most of the people who own these type of dogs are never going to use them for hunting, the vast majority being pets. When given a chance, I reckon some could come good. A friend of mine in Australia has a male which has an incredible nose, something I would never have attributed to this breed a few years ago. I genuinely think it has a lot to do with upbringing. Let’s face it, there are some wonderful examples of athletic Stafford’s out there, more so now than I can ever remember. Given the right opportunities and of course, the right owner, I think that some of these dogs could serve a purpose in the field.

Please don’t get me wrong, I am not advocating that you hunters out there should swap all your dogs for Stafford’s. All I am saying is that they can do a job if you let them and give you bags of fun along the way.

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  1. Great article Iv got an Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier (bit more leggy and athletic) It’s a Bitch and she’s had every bit of game you can think of even getting hold of a badger once by mistake. Toughest dog Iv ever owned and once it’s got hold of something it’s never letting go. Great dogs and kept fit enough there fast enough to catch anything.

  2. What a great read. I wouldn’t of thought of staffs as being a dog capable of so much work. Mine goes mental for rats. Litterely crazy when they are near but he’s never been in a position for anything else apart from rabbit which he’s not been able to catch yet. Guess it’s the open field as you said need a bit denser area for him to stand a chance.
    Alex801

  3. Brilliant article friend and thanks. A breed apart with an undeserved reputation for sure. A friends bitch regularly appears with muntjac in her jaws. Seems an excellent use of a misunderstood type.
    Best wishes.

  4. Daniel smith on

    It’s smashing to see a staffy at work.I’ve not had a dog for 4 yrs but for 20 yrs I worked no other terrier.
    They came on every trip with my deer hound and whippet,and would dive into the trickiest bush if the others backed off.A truly underrated little grafted in my book.

  5. Staffs are perfect dogs as im an owner of one and my good friends is aswell great companions and reliable and trustworthy working dog. great peice !!

  6. This was a great read! From my knowledge of dogs only come across a few working staffs (mix with terrier) good strong minded breed with eager to please attitude to life!

  7. i have a staffy and these are one of the most loyal dogs,i have had her for three years,very keen to chase rabbits rats etc,i had jack russels before both headstrong dogs and one track minded, good for tracking and hunting!

  8. We got a pup in dec but the person we got it from knew it was staff cross but didn’t know wat it was cross with! After seeing the pics I am now convinced he is cross hunting fox:-/ do u know where I cud find out as the bet didn’t even know.
    Thanks in advance zoe.

  9. I used to hunt with a mongrel that thought he was a lurcher and he would hunt anything that moved whilst at the same time very well behaved around livestock and was very good at marking for his hunting companion, Fiona the little jill ferret. I fully agree that the chase is far more entertaining than the kill.

  10. billybowman1986 on

    i have ad one staff in my live he past about 5 years ago and he was what you call a cracker had many good days out with him i used im to push thick brush for my minshaws and my big bull ree,s line

  11. ive always had staffs and this is a great article.. great dogs, always want to please and are quite intelligent in my opinion..

  12. i got a staff bitch shes about 18 inches works realy well marks rabbit holes flys in the cover i put a pure whippet on her the pups are about 12 months now and they are doing realy well in the field

  13. you can see its clearly a patterdale cross, im just putting some staff into my patts for gameness and head . f1 crosses tend to be to heavy but ill keep a girl and put my patt dog back to it .

  14. A proper old style staffy is a slightly taller more athletic built dog with the head more in proportion I love all staffys as they have fantastic personalities but the kennel club has nearly ruined them wanting shorter, broader with larger heads.

    I own two and both have fantastic noses and show signs that theyd make great hunters particularly my male who is always nose down quartering as he goes, unfortunately I can’t work either as my male has had a torn cruciate ligament and my bitch has epilepsy. you can see its in them though and with a bit of effort you could end up with a great little hunter aswell as a fantastic pet.

    It’s just a shame so many are mistreated or just poorly trained as they are such intelligent dogs and love to learn. Both mine are rescues and when they’ve gone my next will be too, I’ll never be without one.

  15. Hey I’m new to this but I have a lovely staff bitch and my idea was to work her rats/with the ferrets/maybe foxing later and didn’t realise people use them so much until I looked hopefully she’ll b as game one day great artical

  16. Thanks for your comments gents.

    Siegfried, you’re wrong about them being pitbull crosses I am afraid. The black one is a cross though, being 1/4 Patterdale – a fact I was unaware of when I wrote that article many, many years ago. Thanks for the comments all the same though.

  17. have been hunting ‘staffs’ for last 13yrs and have had loads of fun even a deer once caught unawares by a flight pond, my mates lamping buddy used to regularly catch hares with his in day time, they are so smart and soon learn they are not that fast but can out think their prey quite easily have just aquired a female bull whippet first cross who is only just faster than my 60lb dog. Long let us hunt and enjoy our wild places.

  18. Dont get caught on the street by the police, these SBT x are pit bull crosses, and will be confiscated and owners are liable.
    Please be aware.
    I know they make good working dogs especially when crossed with lurches/ greyhounds especially for certain mammals at night.
    At lest the scars are consistent with fox bites but be aware there are folk out there who will have you for any scars and prosecute.
    Talk about it but don’t put pictures on line, you never know who will put 2&2 together and prosecute for 5.
    True SBT are not as tall, and have a different shaped head.

  19. I have a 3 year old staff started out marking stalkin and catching squirrels now she will mark anything alive in the field aswell as track! she catches a healthy catch each season! great on the lamp but yet has never opened up or backed down!! but yet she loves nothing more than workin alongside a ferret or bushing! great dogs havent got the speend over all but a great and loyle working dog you know will never show you up or let you down! all the best lads

  20. John Duncan Lytton on

    I have owned Staffords all of my life, my Grandfather was a well respected man in the Stafford game, he bred them mainly for sport / Hunting etc, they were better treated than we were as children probably. These days at the tender age of 74 i still ride out with the hunt and ALWAYS take along my best Stafford, the Hounds ignore him totally and he them, he is v successful at catching and fetching wildlife of most descriptions including on more than one occasion a wayward Hound (much to the dismay of my friends, no harm done of course).
    My Staffords, in conclusion, will hunt anything from a mouse to a Mammoth.
    Cheers and carry on……..

  21. the airborne saluki on

    great peace bro ,i endded up with a staff dog , he has turned out the best ferretting companyion i could have wished for ,dont like the guns though ,save a staff grow your harts

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