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#1 spep21

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 12:13 pm

Has anyone ever heard of dogue de bordeauxs being used for hunting wild boar?

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 01:25 pm

i'd like to find that out myself... they have become popular in n. ireland but the ones i've seen look very clumsy... but maybe ones that work are totally different???

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Posted 04 April 2009 - 03:41 pm

Thanks for the replies, I think they would probably be too big but I bet if they got hold they would keep hold. Would defo need to trim down a bit though I should think

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 11:08 am

i had one of the first DDB in n. ireland about 10 years ago and i had wanted to try and get a workign strain again ( general gaurd work and hunting). I spent as much money looking at litters from smaller more agile parents than buying the pup (at that time bitches 2500 dogs 2000). I settled on a pup from a bitch that resembled a very large pitbull she had a lot of drive compared to most of the dogs i looked at, the pup was raised as a working prospect and not really solcialised with too many people because at that time they were rare and people would have made too much of a fuss of them.

I found the breed to be hot and cold, one day they would be looking to work and the next no drive. i would say that they are obedient and easy to train for general obedience work, they can be quite altheltic and if conditioned they do have a reasonable level of wind ( not compared to some of the bull breeds of course). they have the potenital to work if you get back to some of the older lines before breeding became profitable and they may be suitable for boar hunting as they dont have the gameness of some of the pure pitbulls which may suffer from not knowing when to let go and work another hold.

I still have a DDB today as i like them for what they are but i think you may be fighting a loossing battle looking for a working strain of these dogs, i would like to be prooved wrong but IMO i think you would struggle to get a DDB to cover the ground to hunt boar let alone engage a boar when the dog caught up with it.

I am not a boar hunter i no shape or form and this is only my opinion, i for one would love to see some of the older breeds of dogs returned to their working abilities.

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Posted 10 September 2009 - 11:03 am

a dog of that stature will probably not get old when hunting boar. small light dogs are better suited imo
terriers( very agile in thick cover which boar take on when under pressure) do a good job in keeping them busy and a couple will hold smaller ones no problem. bigger pig more terrier!
the tactic of nip and move is better suited than getting hold and keeping it. even a BIG dog will have trouble holding larger pigs( best chance is an ear/nose grip. both are at the dangerous end of the quarry!!!)
if you have tried holding a 45 kilo pig by the back leg while putting a knife between his ribs you will know what i mean! terrier will cover and hold if one gets hit there are still more to keep on.if one big dog lets go you have a problem.
i know some use the big dogs to hold, i have always found the small dogs cover more ground and pack when a stand is made,does the trick for me.
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Posted 27 October 2009 - 04:11 pm

:) I keep and breed a few Ddb's but i've never worked them ? But mine are fit and would engage a boar without doubt , i like a dog that can do the job it was bred to do and i think these can ???? the trouble is with the ddb of today is that their being bred for size and of course there are health problems as well . Having said that there are still some very good lines out there that could work (may-be )

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 04:50 pm

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub... I keep and breed a few Ddb's but i've never worked them ? But mine are fit and would engage a boar without doubt , i like a dog that can do the job it was bred to do and i think these can ???? the trouble is with the ddb of today is that their being bred for size and of course there are health problems as well . Having said that there are still some very good lines out there that could work (may-be )



it is a hard one to say for sure that it will engage, and again i can only talk from my experience with the DDB, i have seen them around other dogs and getting into tussles, they dont tend to have the staying power and are mainly only interested in a quick exchange. I also trained german shepherds years ago for proctection work and have seen dogs that look like they would kill people for fun not commiting to a bite. Until you tried you dogs at pigs i wouldnt bet money on them engaging boar.

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 01:21 am

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i disagree. medium to large dogs are the only way to go when sticking hog especially when you get into boars 80 kilos & bigger. bigger dogs have more control. i've seen really good dogos, a presa, american bulldogs, & various pitXs 30-50 kg literally knock 100kg hogs off their feet. little dogs OTH can only annoy big hogs never hurt them unless they learn to nut the hog. even w/ nutting they can't control the hog.
i don't know everything but this has been my experience since my first hog hunt 31 years ago.

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 04:40 am

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub... I keep and breed a few Ddb's but i've never worked them ? But mine are fit and would engage a boar without doubt , i like a dog that can do the job it was bred to do and i think these can ???? the trouble is with the ddb of today is that their being bred for size and of course there are health problems as well . Having said that there are still some very good lines out there that could work (may-be )



it is a hard one to say for sure that it will engage, and again i can only talk from my experience with the DDB, i have seen them around other dogs and getting into tussles, they dont tend to have the staying power and are mainly only interested in a quick exchange. I also trained german shepherds years ago for proctection work and have seen dogs that look like they would kill people for fun not commiting to a bite. Until you tried you dogs at pigs i wouldnt bet money on them engaging boar.

Q/S, money being the name of the game ............ the above fella has a litter advertised on here for £950 a pup.

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Posted 08 November 2009 - 07:55 am

i have limited experiance of hunting pigs,the idea always being to get them on there feet and moving to guns( drueckjagd)along with deer, fox,raccoon and enok.this being a very effective method to controll a population in forestry etc. belive it or not there are also pigs over 80 kilo mark in germany( where the majority of my hunting has taken place) and i would say that on a number of occasions smaller dogs have "held" or "spun" pigs untill i could get there and "ease" the situation with pistol or knife( i must admit the pistol is my prefered method of dispatch,but if given the choice of shooting a dog deaf or grabbing a leg of pork.....)
as said in the previous post i know some prefer bigger dogs for holding(and good on them)but for moving game to gun smaller dogs,teckel-terrier-bracken-(loud hunting,short legged) will do it slower and give the game a sporting chance.not to mention that they don't "chase" on sight but nose down trailing all day if need be.
a different sort of hunt to sticking in the u.s. no doubt( i'm not sure if that is what was meant with " ddb for pig hunting" as originally posted???

small dogs can cover and hold( if there are enough of them!) even larger pigs.smaller dogs won't get "struck" as often as they a lighter and more agile on their feet( especially in tight cover the pigs almost always take on when under pressure).and do not offer the resistance/weight to allow penetration of the tusk when hit( they tend to fly).
terrain must of course be taken into account( in big country,snow more than 6 inches deep teckel will have problems :whistling: and so dogs such as kopov,steirischer,brandel,heide terrier etc were bred).
each to his sport and each man his dogs.i can only speak from my experiance

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 02:27 am

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alot has to do w/hunting styles. we just don't do the organized drives like you describe. we may have a 3-4 guys and maybe 6-8 dogs and only run 1-3 at a time. they find the hog stop it from running and depending on personal preference catch & hold it there. all of this goes on while we're running to catch up. when we get there we stick it or catch it & tie it up to take with us and dispatch it later (or sell to paid hunting preserve). our hogs can run a damn long ways w/o ever being in sight of a shooter and could cross several properties if we used the little teckel or other small open mouth dogs. this puts them at risk of being shot by farmers & deer shooters who think dogs ruin their "hunting."
i've seen smaller pits (35-40#: 16-18kg) getcaught on a hog & get beat to death on trees by hogs as small as 60kg while bigger dogs would dominate these little killers.
i say as long as you enjoy what you're doing keep doing it. but you'll understand us better if you come over and see how we do it.

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 08:17 am

the germans call the small agressive boar "hosenflicker" ( trouser holer!) as they tend to be quite happy to bite on you,this description is normally used between 30 and 50 kilo.
how do you locate the dogs if they pull up a pig?
i am in no way saying what is right or wrong,but doubt that this style of hunting would be possible in our/european enviroment( i must admit i wish it were!!!!).
pretty much the only thing we have that would come anywhere near is the following up of wounded pigs which can get a little touchy.( a good blood trailing dog will follow only the wouded pigs trail who is in 95% of cases seperated from the group).

what do you use to stick the pigs? a knife or lance? ( they call them "sau feder" in germany "sau feather" i presume because its used for tickeling the ribs).

how often do you work the dogs in this way? i bet they love it( i know my dogs would leave any ammount of deer in the brambles and get into the pigs,calling other dogs in on the way!!).
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Posted 10 November 2009 - 02:57 am

unfortunately i am down to one longdog and limited time due to the US Marine Corps & my 3 YO twin boys taking up most of it. when i had more time, i worked the hogdog (catahoula curXamerican bulldog) on hogs several times a month & on bear during the open season for bear. the running dog will try to catch boar but isn't built to really control the hog by himself. as i get more time again i will be bringing on another bullbreedX.

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Posted 04 December 2009 - 02:20 pm

think the dbd would be 2 heavy for boar they would be ok for holding it but not enough stimina for chasing it ive saw great danes being used for it the look the buisness for it :thumbs:

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Posted 25 December 2009 - 08:35 pm

IMO the DDB would hold a pig but would not have the required other traits to hunt boar one out.
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