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#1 Tarmac

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 06:59 pm

For all you experienced lads, the likes of trev and socks,as you sound to no your stuff.
How did you start with the dogs?
I'm very intrested with the greyhounds and would like to learn more, so any pointers, opionions would be appreciated

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 08:25 pm

as a youngster just used to mooch around with a spaniel and bsa meteor, as i got older got into ferreting. my cousin used to keep lurchers so i used to join him on his lamping and daytime forays. this is when the bug developed for running dogs ie lurchers. like everyone i suppose id seen scurlogh and ballyreagan on tv but my interest in greyhounds went no further till i did a little beating for old yorkshire, ryedale , coqudale and border and sherburn farmers coursing clubs. while on the flank one day i got to see these k9 athletes behind a quarry called a hare in the open field, i was hooked. by chance a irishman by the name of john walsh lived a couple of miles from my parents. he won the waterloo with sam the man in 1990. so i asked him if i could use the dog over my half saluki deerhound x greyhound, he obliged and our frendship started there, i worked at his kennels helping out up until his death a few years ago. 90 per cent of anything i have learned to date about greyhounds i credit to this man . the other 10 to a bone man called s duncan. i believe its a life times learning curve and nobody nows it all including c lister. i have met and made some good friends and associates thru greyhounds, ie walsh , de mulder , chris grant (who ran up the grand national a few years back) the halls who trained sam the man , whitehall, suncrest tina 2000 waterloo winner, i met and got pissed up with most of these including the last to slippers of the waterloo, the teals who won the waterloo in 2005, the murphys from cork who gave me my first greyhound by dashing oak out of a bitch called anti quarry she was bred in the purple. should of bred out of her a big regrett, the murphys bred the litter which included billy playback a dog which finished 3rd in this years paddy power irish derby of which i have a litter brother. due to greyhounds i have had the good fortune of meeting many people from different classes and backgrounds. some well known , most like me not .at the end of the day we all have the same thing in common the love of the dogs. well thats me what about the rest of yous. :guitar: :yes:

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 10:06 pm

I was born into them, my da had them and his da before him, everything i know i got from the old man and a little bit of common sense, i agree with you max that every days a learning day and you will never know enough with the greyhounds.
Im lucky enough to have lived close to the late great Gay Mc Kenna and spent some time there and know his son extremly well, one thing he told me when i was a kid was he trained a few derby winners and fed them all on the same diet, fresh meat, brown bread and veg.Ive followed this rule from then on in and have to agree with him its the best way to feed, ive since looked further into this method but its alot easier now, the oldman always fed the same, only two months ago he heard about this new complete food for greyhounds called record breaker, he gave it a try and for the first time in his life left out the usual diet, he has since converted back lol.
Sorry for rambling off the subject lads.Tarmac ive been around dogs since i was a kid, ive had some good ones and some bad ones and thats all part and parcell of the game, ive possibly one of the best ive ever owned on my yard at the moment, he is only young but he going to be top class.

If i can help ye out in anyway shape or form let me know and i will do what i can.
I get the same buzz when i get a winner today as i did my first ever many years ago.

Is this the bitch your talking about max???
Anti quarry: http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=7155

If so she was very well bred.

Heres a ped of dashing oak another decent dog.

http://www.greyhound...d?d=dashing oak

Had a decent trial stake winner out of dashing oak, gave her to my mate to breed a litter of saluki lurchers from, he bred her to a good son of gazza and she threw some top class dogs for this side of the pond.

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 10:21 pm

I was born into them, my da had them and his da before him, everything i know i got from the old man and a little bit of common sense, i agree with you max that every days a learning day and you will never know enough with the greyhounds.
Im lucky enough to have lived close to the late great Gay Mc Kenna and spent some time there and know his son extremly well, one thing he told me when i was a kid was he trained a few derby winners and fed them all on the same diet, fresh meat, brown bread and veg.Ive followed this rule from then on in and have to agree with him its the best way to feed, ive since looked further into this method but its alot easier now, the oldman always fed the same, only two months ago he heard about this new complete food for greyhounds called record breaker, he gave it a try and for the first time in his life left out the usual diet, he has since converted back lol.
Sorry for rambling off the subject lads.Tarmac ive been around dogs since i was a kid, ive had some good ones and some bad ones and thats all part and parcell of the game, ive possibly one of the best ive ever owned on my yard at the moment, he is only young but he going to be top class.

If i can help ye out in anyway shape or form let me know and i will do what i can.
I get the same buzz when i get a winner today as i did my first ever many years ago.

Is this the bitch your talking about max???
Anti quarry:  http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?i=7155

If so she was very well bred.

Heres a ped of dashing oak another decent dog.

http://www.greyhound...d?d=dashing oak

Had a decent trial stake winner out of dashing oak, gave her to my mate to breed a litter of saluki lurchers from, he bred her to a good son of gazza and she threw some top class dogs for this side of the pond.

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thats the very bitch trev, brought her up same as a lurcher coursing her freehand on daytime brown hares, she was quite handy, she knew to settle behind them and not over shoot, no good for coursing to rules but good for the job she was taught. took her to tom murrays smokey 2 yrs ago but she had missed. really wish id taken her to a first class track stud when she were younger. by any chance you going to limirick for all aged irish cup on 17 , 18 ,19th feb, if so il be there could meet you for a pint.

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 10:38 pm

Im sure i can arrange to be there, never one to look a gift horse in the mouth and always take a man up on an offer of a pint and talk dogs.
Let me know the craic closer the time max and we will sort someth out. ;)

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 10:41 pm

trev, do you know if jackie law managed to school the dogs you sent him over, as i say i saw him once one sunday morn at the local flap , never seen him since just wondering what happend and if he ever raced them . how were them two dogs bred .

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 10:42 pm

Im sure i can arrange to be there, never one to look a gift horse in the mouth and always take a man up on an offer of a pint and talk dogs.
Let me know the craic closer the time max and we will sort someth out. http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...

yeah no probs trev :yes:

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 10:50 pm

I know he schooled them and one was going well for him, not sure what happened after that as i havent spoke to him in a good while.

This is how they were bred:

http://www.greyhound...=BALLYBRACK PIE

I own her and she is o.k, no world beater but id expect her to win next time out, she has some good early, she got faught bad in a qualifying trial a couple of weeks ago which hasnt helped her.

The reason i got them was i had a dog called scar face who was by spirial nikita out of the same dam and thought they might cross well.

http://www.greyhound....com/d?i=479178

I had the wog for the first 3 races he had when i had a falling out with the owners, there fault not mine, they refused 13k sterling after his third race, i told them to sell him and they wouldnt listen.
His brother was just short of being open class although he had some real good clocks at shelbourne etc.

http://www.greyhound....com/d?i=524412

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 10:51 pm

what county do you belong if you dont mind saying trev, do you get to many park meetings or are you more of a track man.

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 10:57 pm

Im in dublin max and do all my racing at shelbourne and harrolds cross mainly, i do go to a few meetings in the season but im more of a track man, i keep the lurchers for the coursing end of things, its the gambling aswell as the dogs you see ;) :11: :11: :11: :11: :11:

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 10:57 pm

I know he schooled them and one was going well for him, not sure what happened after that as i havent spoke to him in a good while.

This is how they were bred:

http://www.greyhound...=BALLYBRACK PIE

I own her and she is o.k, no world beater but id expect her to win next time out, she has some good early, she got faught bad in a qualifying trial a couple of weeks ago which hasnt helped her.

The reason i got them was i had a dog called scar face who was by spirial nikita out of the same dam and thought they might cross well.

http://www.greyhound....com/d?i=479178

I had the wog for the first 3 races he had when i had a falling out with the owners, there fault not mine, they refused 13k sterling after his third race, i told them to sell him and they wouldnt listen.
His brother was just short of being open class although he had some real good clocks at shelbourne etc.

http://www.greyhound....com/d?i=524412

lots of open races on there cards, good few wins and some handy times :good:

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 11:01 pm

Im in dublin max and do all my racing at shelbourne and harrolds cross mainly, i do go to a few meetings in the season but im more of a track man, i keep the lurchers for the coursing end of things, its the gambling aswell as the dogs you see http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...  http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...  http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...  http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...  http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...  http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...

what county does graham calvert snr train from , he had a dog called make all. his son and daughter train not far from me in ne england at sunderland and brough respectively.

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 11:06 pm

I like to keep a close eye on the coursing end of things because it intrests me for other reasons, the same fella that had the bitch he bred to gazza also has these two dogs in the same line as gazza and the dashing oak bitch.

http://www.greyhound...a.com/d?i=74065

http://www.greyhound...aithful monarch

Thats some breeding to have on the greyhounds side of a lurcher breeding, look at breeding behind faithfull hunter, pyramid club and murmurs who was some bitch and threw some good ones, the reason they called her murmurs was she could course a hare that well he would get murmurs in the heart :11: :11: :11: :11: :11: ;)

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 11:15 pm

Make all: http://www.greyhound....com/d?i=616378

He ran well in the derby in 2004 but strugled a little this year, he was a top class contender.

Heres another decent one he had lately: http://www.igb.ie/gr...=Dobbins bistro

Not to sure what county he is in.

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Posted 30 November 2005 - 11:22 pm

I like to keep a close eye on the coursing end of things because it intrests me for other reasons, the same fella that had the bitch he bred to gazza also has these two dogs in the same line as gazza and the dashing oak bitch.

http://www.greyhound...a.com/d?i=74065

http://www.greyhound...aithful monarch

Thats some breeding to have on the greyhounds side of a lurcher breeding, look at breeding behind faithfull hunter, pyramid club and murmurs who was some bitch and threw some good ones, the reason they called her murmurs was she could course a hare that well he would get murmurs in the heart  http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...  http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...  http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...  http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...  http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...  http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/pub...

when i looked at the above dogs breeding i thought i had layed my hands across dogs of similar breeding through my old mate john walsh, they were a bitch called scotch pyramid, pyramid club , willie lundy bred, and also a dog which i still think about from time to time as i took a shine to him and i think he took to me, he was called boston flag , flag star x murmurs, so those two have the same blood as the faithful hunter dog you mentioned.




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