Kerny92 1,246 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 I just can't get my head around wanting to kill something so beautiful and majestic. Not to mention trophy hunting is bad for the bigger specimens. It has been a major factor in the reduction of size in some big cat subspecies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,587 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Kerny92 said: I just can't get my head around wanting to kill something so beautiful and majestic. Not to mention trophy hunting is bad for the bigger specimens. It has been a major factor in the reduction of size in some big cat subspecies. + 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kerny92 1,246 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 21 minutes ago, bird said: + 2 I know it's hypocritical to state such things but that's how i feel, don't get me wrong i can accept the hunt but i can't accept the kill. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,587 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Kerny92 said: I know it's hypocritical to state such things but that's how i feel, don't get me wrong i can accept the hunt but i can't accept the kill. i know what you mean , i understand killing animals that attacking live stock, or if its for food, but some species of animals need protecting , as there numbers are very low , they need bigger gene pool to get healthier animals , and some of them mountain lions numbers are very low . ive hunted 30 odd years thats, all our uk wild mammals , but numbers are not over low, deer, fox, hares, and only rabbit numbers are getting lower , but the other animals there numbers are ok , if they weren't i wouldn't hunt them , i pack in and find another sport to do . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,622 Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Kerny92 said: I just can't get my head around wanting to kill something so beautiful and majestic. Not to mention trophy hunting is bad for the bigger specimens. It has been a major factor in the reduction of size in some big cat subspecies. Show me the study that supports that statement. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,622 Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) Who’s better qualified to determine the population status and therefore hunting quotas? Fellas on the internet in another country or biologists from the department of fish and wildlife and state level depts? Edited April 7, 2018 by Born Hunter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
keepdiggin 9,208 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Kerny92 said: Aye they do well to fight with an adolescent with no claws and likely no fangs. Don't believe what you see in those staged videos. really? whys the dogos face all scratched to f**k then? dont believe everything you get told Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kerny92 1,246 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, keepdiggin said: really? whys the dogos face all scratched to f**k then? dont believe everything you get told I've seen videos, the Pumas are either very young or in piss poor condition. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kerny92 1,246 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Show me the study that supports that statement. I've read it before, I'll find it because it won't let me add the file. Does it really take a study for you to believe it? By culling the big specimens you are indirectly taking part in selective breeding. Edited April 7, 2018 by Kerny92 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,622 Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 27 minutes ago, Kerny92 said: I've read it before, I'll find it because it won't let me add the file. Does it really take a study for you to believe it? By culling the big specimens you are indirectly taking part in selective breeding. Yes it does take a study. The flawed aplication of theory has and does lead to bullshit conclusions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kerny92 1,246 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Yes it does take a study. The flawed aplication of theory has and does lead to bullshit conclusions. Well I've just been reading one now, won't let me add it as a PDF on here. Just google it and you will find the article and likely more. So you don't believe trophy hunting as a detrimental effect on animal size? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,622 Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Kerny92 said: Well I've just been reading one now, won't let me add it as a PDF on here. Just google it and you will find the article and likely more. So you don't believe trophy hunting as a detrimental effect on animal size? Not when managed in a similar way to north america no. Mate rather than me try to find it, just send me the google search and tell me which one. Edited April 7, 2018 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kerny92 1,246 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Not when managed in a similar way to north america no. Mate rather than me try to find it, just send me the google search and tell me which one. Did you know hunting larger Cougars leads to an increase in Human and Cougar conflict? https://blogs.biomedcentral.com/bmcseriesblog/2016/10/27/trophy-hunting-unexpected-consequences-cougar-human-conflict/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,622 Posted April 7, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 37 minutes ago, Kerny92 said: Did you know hunting larger Cougars leads to an increase in Human and Cougar conflict? https://blogs.biomedcentral.com/bmcseriesblog/2016/10/27/trophy-hunting-unexpected-consequences-cougar-human-conflict/ Right, so that study suggests that hunting does not reduce predator problems... I'm not going to bother reading it because there is no mention in that article that suggests that hunting has damaged the quality of the population. Fyi predator populations aren't just managed to protect livestock. Where's the study that shows north american conservation policy has reduced specimen sizes? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kerny92 1,246 Posted April 7, 2018 Report Share Posted April 7, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Right, so that study suggests that hunting does not reduce predator problems... I'm not going to bother reading it because there is no mention in that article that suggests that hunting has damaged the quality of the population. Fyi predator populations aren't just managed to protect livestock. Where's the study that shows north american conservation policy has reduced specimen sizes? https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/jwmg.21261 Our simulations show that selective harvesting can alter the evolutionary fate of populations, and can result in declines in trophy size Edited April 7, 2018 by Kerny92 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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