foxdropper 17,092 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Some people don' half make their lives complicated .Your born ,you live you die and return to nature .Nothing else ever bothered me least of all fanciful stories or made up gods lol .Get a grip ,go with the flow and hope your last breath is pain free . 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,261 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 There was this alien being from another dimension, as he was a he there must have been she's so we have a whole species, anyway they /he comes along and thinks lets create a whole new space/time/continuum, then create all the matter in it, then a planet, then create life on that planet, then watch it, with occasional input, ie killing the who population etc, raping virgins etc...... All a bit star trek for me.......... In comparison evolution seems extremely straight forward. Culturally old religions are great insights to the past but as a basis for belief ?? Bit far fetched for me. Merry xmas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 44,298 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Evolution is straight forward?.......what, a big explosion happened, some atoms(that had not previously existed before and suddenly appeared out of nothing) bonded with other atoms and given enough time they produced all the myriad different forms of life and geology on this planet, in just the right places and perfectly made to suit that environment.......just by accident? And MY view is supposed to be far fetched!.........the fact is, both views are just different beleife systems and you could easily mock either sides following really. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,261 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 (edited) Either just a matter of quantum fluctuations and a big enough space and time for Mozart's monkeys to write the music or an alien being??? No piss taking just a comparison. see link for info https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207 bit more here https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/a-mathematical-proof-that-the-universe-could-have-formed-spontaneously-from-nothing-ed7ed0f304a3 Edited December 21, 2017 by sandymere Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,973 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 19 hours ago, Francie said: Truth always comes out in the end tho It does mate and it's the truth whether you believe it or not. 2 hours ago, WILF said: Evolution is straight forward?.......what, a big explosion happened, some atoms(that had not previously existed before and suddenly appeared out of nothing) bonded with other atoms and given enough time they produced all the myriad different forms of life and geology on this planet, in just the right places and perfectly made to suit that environment.......just by accident? And MY view is supposed to be far fetched!.........the fact is, both views are just different beleife systems and you could easily mock either sides following really. 4 I try not to mock either but one of these belief systems has mountains of empirical data to back it up. The other not so much. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 19,387 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 2 hours ago, sandymere said: Either just a matter of quantum fluctuations and a big enough space and time for Mozart's monkeys to write the music or an alien being??? No piss taking just a comparison. see link for info https://arxiv.org/abs/1404.1207 bit more here https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/a-mathematical-proof-that-the-universe-could-have-formed-spontaneously-from-nothing-ed7ed0f304a3 But space or time didn't exist so how can you give the monkeys something that was nonexistent? infact how could the monkeys exist at all 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,362 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 hour ago, ChrisJones said: It does mate and it's the truth whether you believe it or not. I try not to mock either but one of these belief systems has mountains of empirical data to back it up. The other not so much. Haha not this again chris, so if something has mountains of empirical (observation + testable) data, why is it not put to bed then, like 2+2=4???? What the feck is missing from this data to put it to bed once an for all??? Its not put to bed an you know it bud, so were does that leave your data??? Could you give me one, of this mountain of data, to show without doubt, molucules to man??? I dont want a debate honestly, its just a laugh when you come out with such tripe mate hahaha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,362 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 54 minutes ago, kanny said: But space or time didn't exist so how can you give the monkeys something that was nonexistent? infact how could the monkeys exist at all Good question kanny, any answers sandy? Your acting like space time an matter were already there, but it wasnt, so how did space time an matter come into this??? Im finished work for christmas, me an family an friends are at lovley hotel in donegal, im chilling an just well chilling, but in funny mood so entertain me sandy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,973 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, Francie said: I dont want a debate honestly, Mate, we've done this to death and anything I post you're either never going to read it or refute it as some sort of conspiracy combining it with a YouTube montage. Enjoy the birth of your saviour mate! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,261 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 hour ago, kanny said: But space or time didn't exist so how can you give the monkeys something that was nonexistent? infact how could the monkeys exist at all Its the monkeys that are in control, they are god!! http://www.luminarium.org/mythology/monkeygods.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,261 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 9 minutes ago, Francie said: Good question kanny, any answers sandy? Your acting like space time an matter were already there, but it wasnt, so how did space time an matter come into this??? Im finished work for christmas, me an family an friends are at lovley hotel in donegal, im chilling an just well chilling, but in funny mood so entertain me sandy Well did your alien invent space time???? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,362 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 hour ago, ChrisJones said: Mate, we've done this to death and anything I post you're either never going to read it or refute it as some sort of conspiracy combining it with a YouTube montage. Enjoy the birth of your saviour mate! Haha its not his birthday bud, your on reddit to much? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,362 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 1 hour ago, sandymere said: Well did your alien invent space time???? Theres no such thing as aliens? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,973 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, Francie said: Haha its not his birthday bud, your on reddit to much? I wouldn't know mate I don't celebrate it. And whats a reddit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,261 Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, Francie said: Theres no such thing as aliens? Was god born on earth then??????? feck me I didn't know that always thought he didn't come from round here???? what about angels ?? the devil?? were they local??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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