ianm 2,594 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Well i for one don't believe the nhs is shite, it's been there for me and mine when we have needed it the most and i am gratefull that it was. Or we could live in somewhere like America where if you have no money for health care, you die! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 6,570 Posted November 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, WILF said: Left wing pricks like the BBC and the Gaurdian would do better investigating the effect of massive rises in business rates on small business owners.....some poor fuckers are now just working for the government. That my friends, really is disgusting when it’s people life and time and effort they are stealing No objection to that. The tax burden always falls on those least able to pay. One of the biggest problems we face is tax avoidance by the corporates and the ultra rich. There will be far fewer jobs available in the coming decades as a new industrial revolution takes hold and computers displace people. Hence talk of a minimum income guarantee for everybody. Excellent, except they are only talking about 5 grand per individual. I have no objection to a royal family. If you get a bang out of them fine. I do object to every man woman and child paying for their upkeep. Even if it is only 62 pence it's a burden on every man woman and child. It's medieval, ridiculous, that we support one of the richest families on the planet. To me they are a mixed race grooming gang. Phil the greek with his award scheme, war hero Harry the b*****d with his Invictus games,. the late Di with her Aids foundation, their relentless chairmanship of charities. It's all pretty clumsy spin. They are a grooming gang who after your money. What do we get for our money? A sour faced, frowning old bint with very dodgy dress sense who changed her name to disguise her german ancestry. Phil the greek. You can't take him anywhere without him f***ing up. Charlie who wants to be the the tampax of that old sop Bowles. Anne, miserable mistress of Bowles' ex husband with out= of =control bull terriers. Andrew couldn't even manage to be a trade envoy without being mired in corruption. Idiot had to be taken off the job. Managed to be photographed with a minor who alleges he raped her. Edward, weak idiot who wears a lot of toy shop medals just like the rest of them, his wife was caught on camera stating what a f****n awful crew she had married into. What a dysfunctional ,workless bunch of parasites. They are like a line of pedigree dogs interbred to be completely useless The nub is that the queen should set an example. My message to her is: At LEAST PAY TAX ON YOUR HANDOUT YOU GREEDY OLD WOMAN! Edited November 6, 2017 by jukel123 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,568 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Anyone here self-employed ? Employing the services of an accountant ? Do you do so in the hope that he or she will ensure that your tax liabilities will be kept to an absolute minimum ? That's all these people have done - they just have other avenues open to them, that aren't available to you or I.......... Whether it's tax avoidance, benefit scrounging, private education or whatever you object to, the fault lies with the existence of a faulty system, not those who take advantage of it ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,568 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 35 minutes ago, jukel123 said: No objection to that. The tax burden always falls on those least able to pay. One of the biggest problems we face is tax avoidance by the corporates and the ultra rich. There will be far fewer jobs available in the coming decades as a new industrial revolution takes hold and computers displace people. Hence talk of a minimum income guarantee for everybody. Excellent, except they are only talking about 5 grand per individual. I have no objection to a royal family. If you get a bang out of them fine. I do object to every man woman and child paying for their upkeep. Even if it is only 62 pence it's a burden on every man woman and child. It's medieval, ridiculous, that we support one of the richest families on the planet. To me they are a mixed race grooming gang. Phil the greek with his award scheme, war hero Harry the b*****d with his Invictus games,. the late Di with her Aids foundation, their relentless chairmanship of charities. It's all pretty clumsy spin. They are a grooming gang who after your money. What do we get for our money? A sour faced, frowning old bint with very dodgy dress sense who changed her name to disguise her german ancestry. Phil the greek. You can't take him anywhere without him f***ing up. Charlie who wants to be the the tampax of that old sop Bowles. Anne, miserable mistress of Bowles' ex husband with out= of =control bull terriers. Andrew couldn't even manage to be a trade envoy without being mired in corruption. Idiot had to be taken off the job. Managed to be photographed with a minor who alleges he raped her. Edward, weak idiot who wears a lot of toy shop medals just like the rest of them, his wife was caught on camera stating what a f****n awful crew she had married into. What a dysfunctional ,workless bunch of parasites. They are like a line of pedigree dogs inter bred to be completely useless The nub is that the queen should set an example. My message to her is: At LEAST PAY TAX ON YOUR HANDOUT YOU GREEDY OLD WOMAN! So you "have no objection to a royal family"....... Apart from childish name-calling, obviously ! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 6,570 Posted November 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Blackbriar said: Anyone here self-employed ? Employing the services of an accountant ? Do you do so in the hope that he or she will ensure that your tax liabilities will be kept to an absolute minimum ? That's all these people have done - they just have other avenues open to them, that aren't available to you or I.......... Whether it's tax avoidance, benefit scrounging, private education or whatever you object to, the fault lies with the existence of a faulty system, not those who take advantage of it ! But surely as head of state she should set an example? She wouldn't miss the money . This is just the tip of a very corrupt iceberg. I read a report recently which stated that the super rich are now fearful of major insurrection because the gap between them and us is now so great and becoming bigger. Time they paid their taxes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 6,570 Posted November 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, Blackbriar said: So you "have no objection to a royal family"....... Apart from childish name-calling, obviously ! I don't think you'll find anything factually incorrect in what I've said. I think they are an anachronism, if you value them it's no skin off my nose. I'm genuinely sorry if i've hurt anybody's feelings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,568 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 9 minutes ago, jukel123 said: I don't think you'll find anything factually incorrect in what I've said. I think they are an anachronism, if you value them it's no skin off my nose. I'm genuinely sorry if i've hurt anybody's feelings. If you'd said that the Queen should have invested in British concerns, I would have agreed with ! If you feel that the monarchy represents the worst excesses of the class system, maybe you'd have a point, certainly one open to debate. But you do your arguments no favours, and you'll lose a lot of the room, when you resort to calling the Queen silly names, that all I was getting at. But, to repeat myself, if a system exists whereby you can gain a LEGAL financial advantage, wouldn't you be a fool not to use it ? (And for the record, I have enormous respect and loyalty to Her Majesty..........but her eldest son is a total tosser ! ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jukel123 6,570 Posted November 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Fair points. However I strongly believe the head of state should set an example. Usury is legal as we can see from these payday loan companies,but it's not right. There are lots of other examples. However my dogs are pleading to be walked so I'm off. Lovely frost here. Over and out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Well they aint going anywhere so f***ing accept it. They have more supporters in favour of our monarchy than the ones who dont like them. Tbh it amuses me knowing you have to live here with pur queen and seeing her face everytime you put you're hand in you're pocket lol go watch that video i mentioned. Its ok its very short and explains what would happen if she didn't get her state purse. It would certainly cost you a lot more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hily 379 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Blackbriar said: Anyone here self-employed ? Employing the services of an accountant ? Do you do so in the hope that he or she will ensure that your tax liabilities will be kept to an absolute minimum ? That's all these people have done - they just have other avenues open to them, that aren't available to you or I.......... Whether it's tax avoidance, benefit scrounging, private education or whatever you object to, the fault lies with the existence of a faulty system, not those who take advantage of it ! agree but why do we have a system that allows this to happen year on year when everyone knows it's abused and should be changed my own daft opinion is that the wealthy have more influence in the system .than joe or Jane blogs the tax payers. It will never change cos fairness ain't going to be forthcoming no matter what political party is in government . Old saying is it's easier to get a penny of a hundred people than a pound of one person. Edited November 6, 2017 by hily Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,568 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 hour ago, hily said: agree but why do we have a system that allows this to happen year on year when everyone knows it's abused and should be changed my own daft opinion is that the wealthy have more influence in the system .than joe or Jane blogs the tax payers. It will never change cos fairness ain't going to be forthcoming no matter what political party is in government . Old saying is it's easier to get a penny of a hundred people than a pound of one person. I reckon you've answered your own question, mate.......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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j j m 6,480 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 the queen knows where to tuck her money away Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kerdo 48 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 2 hours ago, j j m said: the queen knows where to tuck her money away She should have showed old rangers how to do it they weren’t as cute as they got nipped and liquidated we all have to pay our taxes but some think they are above the law Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 You tarriers just keep giving money to the crown and dont forget to bow lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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