Born Hunter 17,610 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Innocent people who want to maintain their freedoms, which gives people with harmful intent opportunity to do harm. Americans believe they should have the freedom to keep arms, which means bad people more easily get their hands on them. You seem to say serves them right. Likewise, young girls want to go out scantily dressed at night which makes rapists jobs much easier. Serves them right too? Regards the short skirts analogy..., you're much better than that BH so I won't even dignify that with an answer. I understand that people want to maintain their rights but the facts are that guns kill more people in the US than they protect. Wouldn't you agree? And would you like the same gun laws here in the UK? No I'm not better than that. It's a direct and fair comparison on the principle behind your argument. The 2A isn't there to protect home owners, it's there to protect democracy! Have you read it? And yes I would rather live under 2A than without it. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,973 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) Don't think the link works chris It's working okay here but here's the long hand version... http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/02/554976369/section-of-las-vegas-strip-is-closed-after-music-festival-shooting Las Vegas Sun also https://lasvegassun.com/ Edited October 2, 2017 by ChrisJones Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,608 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Oh dear this old argument again lol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,973 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 The 2A isn't there to protect home owners, it's there to protect democracy! Have you read it? And yes I would rather live under 2A than without it. It's the teeth and the claws that protect the bill of rights. Everyone bleats on about free speech but the yanks honour the right to fight for it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Who here has actually read the 2nd amendment? I'm getting the tattoo, you've convinced me! Haha..... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 43,978 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Innocent people who want to maintain their freedoms, which gives people with harmful intent opportunity to do harm. Americans believe they should have the freedom to keep arms, which means bad people more easily get their hands on them. You seem to say serves them right. Likewise, young girls want to go out scantily dressed at night which makes rapists jobs much easier. Serves them right too? Regards the short skirts analogy..., you're much better than that BH so I won't even dignify that with an answer. I understand that people want to maintain their rights but the facts are that guns kill more people in the US than they protect. Wouldn't you agree? And would you like the same gun laws here in the UK? You can put a number on how many people guns kill but it's ludicrous to say you can put a number on how many they protect!!.......I mean, what should people do?.....come home and phone up the national statistics office and say "hi, I didn't get robbed or killed today" Be anti gun by all means mate but don't be stupid ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 43,978 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 theres no need for regular folk owning a machine gun though.... But there IS a need for them to be free to own one if they want to mate 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 43,978 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 By the way, how many people got stabbed to death last week........dangerous things in the wrong hands them knives you know 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 43,978 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Tragic, I'm pro guns but I think the NRA has got to tighten up regulation, if law abiding , mentally stable citizens can access weapons and prove competence then it's not really affecting their civil rights. I don't agree mate, give regulation an inch and it will take a fecking mile......as the UK has proven time and time again 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,619 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 By the way, how many people got stabbed to death last week........dangerous things in the wrong hands them knives you know alot more got killed with an idiot behind the wheel of a motor car i susspect 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,973 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 I don't agree mate, give regulation an inch and it will take a fecking mile......as the UK has proven time and time again Agreed. If only mentally stable citizens are allowed guns then only the government will be allowed to determine who's mentally stable enough to own one. Maybe if the UK had the 2nd Amendment they'd still have the 1st Amendment? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 This is all assuming the shooter legally bought the weapon and the thousands of rounds of ammo he had. Might just as easily been bought out of a car boot in some car park. I don't believe for a minute that the law stating whether or not you can bear arms makes a jot of difference to a psycho who wants to kill. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beamish78 142 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) ffs its the intent of the person not the object used to carry out that intent, that is the problem. Edited October 2, 2017 by beamish78 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,973 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) This is all assuming the shooter legally bought the weapon and the thousands of rounds of ammo he had. Might just as easily been bought out of a car boot in some car park. I don't believe for a minute that the law stating whether or not you can bear arms makes a jot of difference to a psycho who wants to kill. Agreed, mate. I immediately want to know what was in his bloodstream and what was on his devices in the last 12 months. Edited October 2, 2017 by ChrisJones 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 24,778 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 ffs its the intent of the person not the object used to carry out that intent, that is the problem. yeh ok,,,,,guns dont kill people,,,people do,,,,,but that object wasnt a handgun yoused for protection was it,,,,, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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