Neobliviscaris1776 1,998 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Respect to all concerned and involved in the case, parents, doctors etc. To always side with professional medical advice would be a mistake for anyone. Countless cases of people and children who have been told there's no chance of every improving, and guess what, many are still here today. It's obvious the situation was prolonged, why wouldn't it be? There's some real, best just pull the plug characters on here. I'm sure they'd want the same chance to seek alternative treatment whatever the cost. If not, you'd be better living in a country more suited to your way of thinking, like China. No matter what story is in the media, it's always built up to end with a people against the people sentiment, all judging and giving advice. If a child can be refused certain treatment and the plug can be pulled by a court decision, then now the flood gates are open to anything and they will affect us all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 You really just conviently ignore the fact the kid was suffering and would suffer even more with being taken out of hospital. Also ignore the sheer ignorance of this yank Dr who claimed he could help without knowing f**k all about this wee mites case. If a team of specialists were telling me i was terminal and some yank on the other side of the world emailed me with a half arsed pledge i know who id be listening to. It wouldn't be him you social media or the lunatic pro life lobby! All those fuckers care about is a political/religious agenda and are like a pigeon on a chip everytime one of these cases appear. can i ask you why you think the hospital went down the road of taking this to court? Why the denied the parents there wish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neobliviscaris1776 1,998 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 "If a team of specialists were telling me i was terminal and some yank on the other side of the world emailed me with a half arsed pledge i know who id be listening to." Really?? You wouldn't even consider alternative options that may help or improve your situation even though it may be Uncharted territory?? Well, your on your own there then, because I certainly would be doing all it could. The bottom line is it's the parents choice to decide, not mine, not yours, not anybody's, been said a million times. And just because some specialists incist that there's no chance of improvement, that has nothing to do with it whatsoever. Tell me then why they took the parents to court and denied their wishes? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Because the kid was suffering more and more! Not one dr but a whole load of them agreed on that! And a court of law read all the reports and listened to the harrowing plight 8f a suffering child and agreed the parents were not listening to reason. So they decided for them. wasnt just "some specialist" a whole hospital of people who had dealt with cases just like it. You argued about the yank dr at start of you're posts. Notice you didnt reply when you were informed he hadn't even looked at the kid nor even read the medical file! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neobliviscaris1776 1,998 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/07/14/health/charlie-gard-us-doctor-bn/index.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pesky1972 4,927 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Respect to all concerned and involved in the case, parents, doctors etc. To always side with professional medical advice would be a mistake for anyone. Countless cases of people and children who have been told there's no chance of every improving, and guess what, many are still here today. It's obvious the situation was prolonged, why wouldn't it be? There's some real, best just pull the plug characters on here. I'm sure they'd want the same chance to seek alternative treatment whatever the cost. If not, you'd be better living in a country more suited to your way of thinking, like China. No matter what story is in the media, it's always built up to end with a people against the people sentiment, all judging and giving advice. If a child can be refused certain treatment and the plug can be pulled by a court decision, then now the flood gates are open to anything and they will affect us all. Your concerns seem to me to be more about the intervention of the state rather than the well being of the boy. In my opinion the parents, and those who supported them, caused this child to suffer more than he needed to, and more than what the team of experts who treated him thought he needed to. In my opinion people like you should hang your heads in shame today.Question.., do you think the state has a right to intervene to treat a child, who stands a good chance of recovery and quality life, but where the parents object to the type of treatment on religious or other reasons? The parents own the child after all and it's their call.., and the medical profession is only there to serve their wishes? 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonjon79 13,340 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 And that's why this whole thing thing was so difficult - 2 very good arguments from Neo and Pesky. ...... The whole thing has been emotionally charged. I'm glad I'm not the one that had to make the final decision. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 I can see why the parents dragged it on for so long, but I have to wonder if they did it for the child's benefit or their own? Very sad anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,173 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 its one of those times in life we will never know how we would cope until its knocking on our own doors. how can ya blame parents on not wanting their kid to die? rip we man, and may you bring peace to your parents souls too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 201 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 The child was never going to get any better. There was no cure for his condition. His quality of life was nil. Why would any parent want their child to suffer pain and keep on suffering pain ?. His life expectancy was short, the parents knew this but still they insisted on keeping him alive via machines when alas the outcome was always going to be the same. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenmcharristar 9,173 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 The child was never going to get any better. There was no cure for his condition. His quality of life was nil. Why would any parent want their child to suffer pain and keep on suffering pain ?. His life expectancy was short, the parents knew this but still they insisted on keeping him alive via machines when alas the outcome was always going to be the same. defo don't doubt what ya say, but its easy for us to pass judgment on the clearly grief stricken parents when most of us only worry whats on tv or whats in the oven. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 201 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 The child was never going to get any better. There was no cure for his condition. His quality of life was nil. Why would any parent want their child to suffer pain and keep on suffering pain ?. His life expectancy was short, the parents knew this but still they insisted on keeping him alive via machines when alas the outcome was always going to be the same. defo don't doubt what ya say, but its easy for us to pass judgment on the clearly grief stricken parents when most of us only worry whats on tv or whats in the oven.As a parent I would,not see any kid of mine suffering if I could help it, what was their long term plan ? None mate they did,not have one, their child was,not going to live !. So you have to ask what was the point of appeal after appeal through the court system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neobliviscaris1776 1,998 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 I do appreciate both sides of the situation, however I personally feel that to override parental decisions is a big mistake long-term. Of course those that perhaps are drug addicts, alcoholics, abusive to their kids are different case's indeed. But for law abiding upright citizens who clearly are responsible and loving parents their own choice must prevail wether religious or otherwise, for if not, then what do we have? We're only destroying the very thing government is trying to establish, that is a responsible society, strong communities, strong families. But anyway, all the best Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greengrass 201 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 I do appreciate both sides of the situation, however I personally feel that to override parental decisions is a big mistake long-term. Of course those that perhaps are drug addicts, alcoholics, abusive to their kids are different case's indeed. But for law abiding upright citizens who clearly are responsible and loving parents their own choice must prevail wether religious or otherwise, for if not, then what do we have? We're only destroying the very thing government is trying to establish, that is a responsible society, strong communities, strong families. But anyway, all the best Would knowingly letting your kid suffer not be classed as "abuse" ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jiggy 3,207 Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) . Edited July 30, 2017 by jiggy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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