Fox

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Think he's making a point that foxes do kill sheep as the antis claim this is incorrect, it's okay for you Irish lads but over here we're not aloud to hunt them with lurchers

Could you show me ANYWHERE in the hunting act of 2004 where its says its illegal to take a fox on the run with a lurcher or any legislation that stipulates this please.

Hunting any wild mammal with dogs is illegal unless there's a specific exemption in the Hunting Act 2004 (like there is for rats and rabbits), there's no such exemption for fox so it's illegal. Simple as that.

Wrong son...its illegal to flush a wild mammal with more than 2 dogs... ie hounds.. its not illegal to be on permissioned land with a single long dog patrolling for predators in protection of stock.. fox breaks lurcher dispatches...perfectly legal! Stick you to canvassing for the party who wants a total ban on all fieldsports...including fishing.

You'll have no problem quoting the relevant section of the legislation then?

you quote where it states its illegal to dispatch a fox humanely with a lurcher..

No problem, happy to help.

 

1 Hunting wild mammals with dogs

 

A person commits an offence if he hunts a wild mammal with a dog, unless his hunting is exempt.

So as you can see, unless specifically exempt it's illegal to hunt any wild mammal with dogs.

 

And here's the list of exemptions...

 

SCHEDULE 1

Exempt Hunting

 

Stalking and flushing out

 

1(1)Stalking a wild mammal, or flushing it out of cover, is exempt hunting if the conditions in this paragraph are satisfied.

(2)The first condition is that the stalking or flushing out is undertaken for the purpose of

 

(a)preventing or reducing serious damage which the wild mammal would otherwise cause

 

(i)to livestock,

 

(ii)to game birds or wild birds (within the meaning of section 27 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (c. 69)),

 

(iii)to food for livestock,

 

(iv)to crops (including vegetables and fruit),

 

(v)to growing timber,

 

(vi)to fisheries,

 

(vii)to other property, or

 

(viii)to the biological diversity of an area (within the meaning of the United Nations Environmental Programme Convention on Biological Diversity of 1992),

 

(b)obtaining meat to be used for human or animal consumption, or

 

©participation in a field trial.

 

(3)In subparagraph (2)© field trial means a competition (other than a hare coursing event within the meaning of section 5) in which dogs

 

(a)flush animals out of cover or retrieve animals that have been shot (or both), and

 

(b)are assessed as to their likely usefulness in connection with shooting.

 

(4)The second condition is that the stalking or flushing out takes place on land

 

(a)which belongs to the person doing the stalking or flushing out, or

 

(b)which he has been given permission to use for the purpose by the occupier or, in the case of unoccupied land, by a person to whom it belongs.

 

(5)The third condition is that the stalking or flushing out does not involve the use of more than two dogs.

 

(6)The fourth condition is that the stalking or flushing out does not involve the use of a dog below ground otherwise than in accordance with paragraph 2 below.

 

(7)The fifth condition is that

 

(a)reasonable steps are taken for the purpose of ensuring that as soon as possible after being found or flushed out the wild mammal is shot dead by a competent person, and

 

(b)in particular, each dog used in the stalking or flushing out is kept under sufficiently close control to ensure that it does not prevent or obstruct achievement of the objective in paragraph (a).

 

Use of dogs below ground to protect birds for shooting

 

2(1)The use of a dog below ground in the course of stalking or flushing out is in accordance with this paragraph if the conditions in this paragraph are satisfied.

(2)The first condition is that the stalking or flushing out is undertaken for the purpose of preventing or reducing serious damage to game birds or wild birds (within the meaning of section 27 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981 (c. 69)) which a person is keeping or preserving for the purpose of their being shot.

 

(3)The second condition is that the person doing the stalking or flushing out

 

(a)has with him written evidence

 

(i)that the land on which the stalking or flushing out takes place belongs to him, or

 

(ii)that he has been given permission to use that land for the purpose by the occupier or, in the case of unoccupied land, by a person to whom it belongs, and

 

(b)makes the evidence immediately available for inspection by a constable who asks to see it.

 

(4)The third condition is that the stalking or flushing out does not involve the use of more than one dog below ground at any one time.

 

(5)In so far as stalking or flushing out is undertaken with the use of a dog below ground in accordance with this paragraph, paragraph 1 shall have effect as if for the condition in paragraph 1(7) there were substituted the condition that

 

(a)reasonable steps are taken for the purpose of ensuring that as soon as possible after being found the wild mammal is flushed out from below ground,

 

(b)reasonable steps are taken for the purpose of ensuring that as soon as possible after being flushed out from below ground the wild mammal is shot dead by a competent person,

 

©in particular, the dog is brought under sufficiently close control to ensure that it does not prevent or obstruct achievement of the objective in paragraph (,

 

(d)reasonable steps are taken for the purpose of preventing injury to the dog, and

 

(e)the manner in which the dog is used complies with any code of practice which is issued or approved for the purpose of this paragraph by the Secretary of State.

 

Rats

 

3The hunting of rats is exempt if it takes place on land

(a)which belongs to the hunter, or

 

(b)which he has been given permission to use for the purpose by the occupier or, in the case of unoccupied land, by a person to whom it belongs.

 

Rabbits

 

4The hunting of rabbits is exempt if it takes place on land

(a)which belongs to the hunter, or

 

(b)which he has been given permission to use for the purpose by the occupier or, in the case of unoccupied land, by a person to whom it belongs.

 

Retrieval of hares

 

5The hunting of a hare which has been shot is exempt if it takes place on land

(a)which belongs to the hunter, or

 

(b)which he has been given permission to use for the purpose of hunting hares by the occupier or, in the case of unoccupied land, by a person to whom it belongs.

 

Falconry

 

6Flushing a wild mammal from cover is exempt hunting if undertaken

(a)for the purpose of enabling a bird of prey to hunt the wild mammal, and

 

(b)on land which belongs to the hunter or which he has been given permission to use for the purpose by the occupier or, in the case of unoccupied land, by a person to whom it belongs.

 

Recapture of wild mammal

 

7(1)The hunting of a wild mammal which has escaped or been released from captivity or confinement is exempt if the conditions in this paragraph are satisfied.

(2)The first condition is that the hunting takes place

 

(a)on land which belongs to the hunter,

 

(b)on land which he has been given permission to use for the purpose by the occupier or, in the case of unoccupied land, by a person to whom it belongs, or

 

©with the authority of a constable.

 

(3)The second condition is that

 

(a)reasonable steps are taken for the purpose of ensuring that as soon as possible after being found the wild mammal is recaptured or shot dead by a competent person, and

 

(b)in particular, each dog used in the hunt is kept under sufficiently close control to ensure that it does not prevent or obstruct achievement of the objective in paragraph (a).

 

(4)The third condition is that the wild mammal

 

(a)was not released for the purpose of being hunted, and

 

(b)was not, for that purpose, permitted to escape.

 

Rescue of wild mammal

 

8(1)The hunting of a wild mammal is exempt if the conditions in this paragraph are satisfied.

(2)The first condition is that the hunter reasonably believes that the wild mammal is or may be injured.

 

(3)The second condition is that the hunting is undertaken for the purpose of relieving the wild mammals suffering.

 

(4)The third condition is that the hunting does not involve the use of more than two dogs.

 

(5)The fourth condition is that the hunting does not involve the use of a dog below ground.

 

(6)The fifth condition is that the hunting takes place

 

(a)on land which belongs to the hunter,

 

(b)on land which he has been given permission to use for the purpose by the occupier or, in the case of unoccupied land, by a person to whom it belongs, or

 

©with the authority of a constable.

 

(7)The sixth condition is that

 

(a)reasonable steps are taken for the purpose of ensuring that as soon as possible after the wild mammal is found appropriate action (if any) is taken to relieve its suffering, and

 

(b)in particular, each dog used in the hunt is kept under sufficiently close control to ensure that it does not prevent or obstruct achievement of the objective in paragraph (a).

 

(8)The seventh condition is that the wild mammal was not harmed for the purpose of enabling it to be hunted in reliance upon this paragraph.

 

Research and observation

 

9(1)The hunting of a wild mammal is exempt if the conditions in this paragraph are satisfied.

(2)The first condition is that the hunting is undertaken for the purpose of or in connection with the observation or study of the wild mammal.

 

(3)The second condition is that the hunting does not involve the use of more than two dogs.

 

(4)The third condition is that the hunting does not involve the use of a dog below ground.

 

(5)The fourth condition is that the hunting takes place on land

 

(a)which belongs to the hunter, or

 

(b)which he has been given permission to use for the purpose by the occupier or, in the case of unoccupied land, by a person to whom it belongs.

 

(6)The fifth condition is that each dog used in the hunt is kept under sufficiently close control to ensure that it does not injure the wild mammal.

No exemption for dispatching a fox with a lurcher in any circumstances. It's illegal, simple as that.

Edited June 27, 2017 by BGD

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Also there is an exemption for fox.. and the exemption is you use the most humane method to dispatch that fox with as little distress as possible... if he bolts out of a scoot hole..livestock or gamebirds in the immediate vicinty.. long dog will catch him on the run and dispatch nearly by impact..no fighting like you antis think... couldnt use legally owned firearm because your there too protect stock not shoot it..

The exemption for use of dogs below ground in the protection of birds for shooting specifically states the fox must be SHOT as soon as possible after bolting...

 

Have you actually read the legislation?

 

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/37/schedule/1

So there is an exemption for fox do we agree?

For protection of game birds in uk.. agree?

Read the small print as they call it..

Im done talkin to you.

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Also there is an exemption for fox.. and the exemption is you use the most humane method to dispatch that fox with as little distress as possible... if he bolts out of a scoot hole..livestock or gamebirds in the immediate vicinty.. long dog will catch him on the run and dispatch nearly by impact..no fighting like you antis think... couldnt use legally owned firearm because your there too protect stock not shoot it..

The exemption for use of dogs below ground in the protection of birds for shooting specifically states the fox must be SHOT as soon as possible after bolting...

 

Have you actually read the legislation?

 

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/37/schedule/1

So there is an exemption for fox do we agree?

For protection of game birds in uk.. agree?

Read the small print as they call it..

Im done talkin to you.

You mean the small print where it says the fox must be SHOT not dispatched with a lurcher? Yeah, I read that...

[Shovel shy 4,032]

Just see Johnny bluck share this on Facebook big fox he is tho

[Welsh_red 4,303]

Just see Johnny bluck share this on Facebook big fox he is tho

I seen his post aswell . Lotsbof people saying the sheep ear in mouth looks fake

[terryd 8,028]

Also there is an exemption for fox.. and the exemption is you use the most humane method to dispatch that fox with as little distress as possible... if he bolts out of a scoot hole..livestock or gamebirds in the immediate vicinty.. long dog will catch him on the run and dispatch nearly by impact..no fighting like you antis think... couldnt use legally owned firearm because your there too protect stock not shoot it..

 

We are all on the same side by the way

Edited June 28, 2017 by terryd

[bird 9,587]

and the fox can only be dispatched if it killing game birds = pheasants , partridge , etc , a farmer or landowner can not kill a fox , even if it was for to keep it a way from sheep and chickens . it just game birds nothing else . Funny thing is we all know fox eat lambs , as lots of earths etc will have lamb bones fur in there, and ive seen lots of foxes over the years eating dead sheep or lambs in the field day and night , been lamping and seen foxes in fields when sheep been there , but never actually seen a fox pull a lamb down , and kill it . you find lots of dead sheep and lambs in the field , some farmers just seem to leave them, i know some get all dead stock removed , but you still find few dead sheep about, so foxes will clear them up, as they are natural scavengers . The nearest ive ever actually seen a fox try to kill a lamb , was one day i was out with my lurcher x lurcher bitch , on some ground that i had permission on, only small ground 20 acres they had few sheep / chickens on it , but they let take my dog on there day/ night to get few rabbits, well this morning i got on the ground the sheep about 30 odd in the flock , as i was walking towards them, i looked to the left and a lamb got it head stuck in fencing , but on the other side on the fence a fox was clamped on to its head , the lamb looked near enough dead, it was just about standing up . my bitch seen it and went right over the fence and chased the fox to the far field and went in the wood after it, she kill them no prob, this was in the 80s . so apart from that , most times see lots of foxes eating lambs and sheep in the fields but being honest , it always been on dead stock. but fowl =birds my brother keeps chickens and ducks , and as lost loads over the years to the bloody old charlie paying him a visit

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Also there is an exemption for fox.. and the exemption is you use the most humane method to dispatch that fox with as little distress as possible... if he bolts out of a scoot hole..livestock or gamebirds in the immediate vicinty.. long dog will catch him on the run and dispatch nearly by impact..no fighting like you antis think... couldnt use legally owned firearm because your there too protect stock not shoot it..

The exemption for use of dogs below ground in the protection of birds for shooting specifically states the fox must be SHOT as soon as possible after bolting...

Have you actually read the legislation? http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/37/schedule/1

So there is an exemption for fox do we agree?

For protection of game birds in uk.. agree?

Read the small print as they call it..

Im done talkin to you.

You mean the small print where it says the fox must be SHOT not dispatched with a lurcher? Yeah, I read that...

Holy fcuking stacks a poops, the most pompous, never wrong, biggest arsheoles on the site having a bicker, wonder who will win haha

Lmao..the panty wearing ex squaddie pipes up with his haha..stick you to scranning free pups to do rats.. dipatching a fox with a single dog is legal no matter what the labour lover posts... thats what exemptions are for..now as for you katchum..stick you to your rabbits son for what you would know about fox work you could write on the back of a stamp and still have room to lick it.

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Also there is an exemption for fox.. and the exemption is you use the most humane method to dispatch that fox with as little distress as possible... if he bolts out of a scoot hole..livestock or gamebirds in the immediate vicinty.. long dog will catch him on the run and dispatch nearly by impact..no fighting like you antis think... couldnt use legally owned firearm because your there too protect stock not shoot it..

The exemption for use of dogs below ground in the protection of birds for shooting specifically states the fox must be SHOT as soon as possible after bolting...

Have you actually read the legislation? http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/37/schedule/1

So there is an exemption for fox do we agree?

For protection of game birds in uk.. agree?

Read the small print as they call it..

Im done talkin to you.

You mean the small print where it says the fox must be SHOT not dispatched with a lurcher? Yeah, I read that...

Holy fcuking stacks a poops, the most pompous, never wrong, biggest arsheoles on the site having a bicker, wonder who will win haha

Lmao..the panty wearing ex squaddie pipes up with his haha..stick you to scranning free pups to do rats.. dipatching a fox with a single dog is legal no matter what the labour lover posts... thats what exemptions are for..now as for you katchum..stick you to your rabbits son for what you would know about fox work you could write on the back of a stamp and still have room to lick it.

Why can't you quote the relevant part of the Act then? It says nowhere in the exemption list that you can ever legally dispatch a fox with a lurcher, in fact the only exemption you mentioned clearly states the fox must be shot.

 

Very silly and more than a little dangerous giving out legal advice when you're clearly completely ignorant of the law. You're going to get some young lad in trouble.

[Phil Lloyd 10,736]

I feel we all should abide by the laws of our land,...but, if I am out giving my pet dawgs a walk in the country,..and a Fox, Hare or Deer rises in front of them,..what can any man do about it,..other than apologize...Facts are,..these things happen,...indeed, they have happened to me on several occasions,...it is unfortunate I know,... but that's life....

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That is actually a good point,a dog protecting livestock out in the field isn't hunting,and there's nothing to stop a farmer or someone he's given permission from patrolling their land making sure there's no intruders around.

 

If the dogs fast enough it might do more than run the fox off the land.

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There's loads of loop holes you've got to intentionally be going out to catch and kill like Phil said going for a walk and something gets up it's no ones fault and if someone's pet lab done it there would be no court case

[Phil Lloyd 10,736]

Fair play there fellah,...

I only keep a few..pet/companion dogs,...we just want a quiet walk out,.. in the beautiful English countryside....

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Wasn't the Dangerous Dogs Act amended so you're committing the offense of your dog being out of control in a public place if it attacks a wild animal?

 

I seem to remember that being the case but I'm not 100%, will have to go and check the amendments.

 

 

 

Just had a look and it seems that was talked about but in the end wasn't included, someone actually used common sense which is quite shocking actually!

Edited June 28, 2017 by BGD

[Francie 6,362]

It wouldnt have counted anyway, you dont hunt on public land do we, we hunt on private land, so it was non applicable.