Big Cat Sighting

[beast 1,884]

 

One observation on the photos of carcases is that the removal of guts carefully like that is typical of a cat. Big cats in zoos will even remove the guts from rabbits. You all know I'm sure that dogs will gobble up guts. I have also watched badgers happily slurping down deer innards from a gralloch

Guts arnt first choice for fox either

I didn't know that.?

[foxdropper 17,092]

I would also point out that unless you peel the skin back from around the neck the teeth marks are not apparent but are usually quite clear on the inside of the skin and in the flesh as they normally just bite once and hold on until the wind pipe is crushed and the animal suffocates were as a dog usually attacks the rear end and then rags the deer leaving a lot more visible damage sheep are much the same most farmers that loose sheep to dogs knows the difference when they find a cat kill it's apparent immediately

Did you skin any of those carcasses mate or just pics sent to you .

[sandymere 8,260]

 

Greyman them photos could be real but they pose a few questions. Why didn't they just simply put a trail cam on the carcass and film the cat when it come back?? Surely there must be DNA all over the carcass, any test results? No photos of tracks in the area? No one called in a big cat expert for official analysis of the scene?

Yes something happened to the deer to make them end up like that, but there is no proof to back up it was a cat and not just people on the wind up!

If it all happened in 8 hrs, it can't be that hard for anyone to go and drop a carcass in the same area in the evening, leave a trial cam on it and have footage of one in the morning.

I'm not trying to piss on your fireworks mate, I used to think they were out there somewhere myself but as time goes on there is no solid evidence of any so it gets harder to believe each time!

most of those pictures were just sent to me mate, so are normally just taken by dog walkers or passers by,I don't do so much in the summer due to to many people, but when I move back into my main area in Autumn one of my first things are going to be baiting my cameras with a road kill deer also going to try some lures both visual and audible, the thing is I have always just accepted they were out there so never really bothered trying to prove it, but in the last year or so I,ve started looking for evidence and collecting data it's also the case that when you do come across something you don't always have your camera or swabbing kit with you which has happened to me on occasions, with regard the DNA side of things A I,m not convinced of the honesty of the labs that do it and B it's not as easy as they make it seem on the telly it's also expensive, saliva contains no DNA it's mostly water but there are dead skin cells in your saliva which is what you need to find to get DNA, if the sun gets on the corpse and dries it out the DNA is gone, and lastly if the fox,s and badgers get on it before you find it again you have very little chance of getting a sample, so the chances of finding a very fresh wet carcass that has not been touched by other animals whilst your carrying your six swabs and six sandwhich bags to keep them fresh and separate is quite a lot of luck and sorry to say it's not happened to me yet, dental markings are quite a bit more easy to get, usually on the hip bone and can't be mistaken for anything else, I know the group I send my stuff off to have a few good dental records from bones in there possession which have been confirmed as cat bite marks, what you also have to understand is that due to the fact governments and councils don't really want it proven plus the amount of people that want to shoot the ideal of big cats down at all costs means that when a case is finally made to prove beyond any doubt we have cats living and breeding in the uk it has to be 120 percent water tight otherwise it will just get brushed aside like all the hundreds of sightings do every other year in this country, there are lots of people like myself all over the country collecting little bits of information , I don't know many of the people or what they have sent in and they don't know me or what I have sent in,

 

Unless it’s something new science isn’t about some big reveal, rather it’s a process of the accumulation of evidence to the point that information changes current thinking to become the new excepted opinion. With big cats there has never been any excepted evidence beyond anecdotal sightings and, as what we think we see and what we actually see is often a very different reality, sightings are never going to be accepted as evidence.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion

 

 

Basically there is no real data just anecdote and the plural of anecdote is not evidence it is anecdotes.

 

 

Even if a little evidence were found I would doubt its authenticity.

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Extraordinary_claims_require_extraordinary_evidence

 

 

I do not suggest a breeding population of big cats would be possible in urban areas but when this happens it is seen, studied and observed such as the leopards in Mumbai. The idea that there would be a number of such populations in the UK that have never been observed, studied etc is implausible.

[Greyman 25,151]

 

 

Greyman them photos could be real but they pose a few questions. Why didn't they just simply put a trail cam on the carcass and film the cat when it come back?? Surely there must be DNA all over the carcass, any test results? No photos of tracks in the area? No one called in a big cat expert for official analysis of the scene?

Yes something happened to the deer to make them end up like that, but there is no proof to back up it was a cat and not just people on the wind up!

If it all happened in 8 hrs, it can't be that hard for anyone to go and drop a carcass in the same area in the evening, leave a trial cam on it and have footage of one in the morning.

I'm not trying to piss on your fireworks mate, I used to think they were out there somewhere myself but as time goes on there is no solid evidence of any so it gets harder to believe each time!

 

most of those pictures were just sent to me mate, so are normally just taken by dog walkers or passers by,I don't do so much in the summer due to to many people, but when I move back into my main area in Autumn one of my first things are going to be baiting my cameras with a road kill deer also going to try some lures both visual and audible, the thing is I have always just accepted they were out there so never really bothered trying to prove it, but in the last year or so I,ve started looking for evidence and collecting data it's also the case that when you do come across something you don't always have your camera or swabbing kit with you which has happened to me on occasions, with regard the DNA side of things A I,m not convinced of the honesty of the labs that do it and B it's not as easy as they make it seem on the telly it's also expensive, saliva contains no DNA it's mostly water but there are dead skin cells in your saliva which is what you need to find to get DNA, if the sun gets on the corpse and dries it out the DNA is gone, and lastly if the fox,s and badgers get on it before you find it again you have very little chance of getting a sample, so the chances of finding a very fresh wet carcass that has not been touched by other animals whilst your carrying your six swabs and six sandwhich bags to keep them fresh and separate is quite a lot of luck and sorry to say it's not happened to me yet, dental markings are quite a bit more easy to get, usually on the hip bone and can't be mistaken for anything else, I know the group I send my stuff off to have a few good dental records from bones in there possession which have been confirmed as cat bite marks, what you also have to understand is that due to the fact governments and councils don't really want it proven plus the amount of people that want to shoot the ideal of big cats down at all costs means that when a case is finally made to prove beyond any doubt we have cats living and breeding in the uk it has to be 120 percent water tight otherwise it will just get brushed aside like all the hundreds of sightings do every other year in this country, there are lots of people like myself all over the country collecting little bits of information , I don't know many of the people or what they have sent in and they don't know me or what I have sent in,

Unless it’s something new science isn’t about some big reveal, rather it’s a process of the accumulation of evidence to the point that information changes current thinking to become the new excepted opinion. With big cats there has never been any excepted evidence beyond anecdotal sightings and, as what we think we see and what we actually see is often a very different reality, sightings are never going to be accepted as evidence.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion

 

 

Basically there is no real data just anecdote and the plural of anecdote is not evidence it is anecdotes.

 

 

Even if a little evidence were found I would doubt its authenticity.

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Extraordinary_claims_require_extraordinary_evidence

 

 

I do not suggest a breeding population of big cats would be possible in urban areas but when this happens it is seen, studied and observed such as the leopards in Mumbai. The idea that there would be a number of such populations in the UK that have never been observed, studied etc is implausible.

. Them,s some big words and bold statements but in summing up does implausible mean impossible or not very likely ? If it's the latter that's pretty much what I signed up for so I,m happy to carry on ,I have accumulated ten times more evidence in my first year of searching than I ever expected even I,m shocked and much more confident of getting the 10/10 photo within the next two years, i don't really need Wikipedia to tell me I,m wrong I,m well passed that stage but cheers for the links anyway

[BUSHY1 17]

Hi greyman

 

have you ever heard of any rumoured sightings in north wales?

[ryaldinhio 4,125]

 

 

 

Greyman them photos could be real but they pose a few questions. Why didn't they just simply put a trail cam on the carcass and film the cat when it come back?? Surely there must be DNA all over the carcass, any test results? No photos of tracks in the area? No one called in a big cat expert for official analysis of the scene?

Yes something happened to the deer to make them end up like that, but there is no proof to back up it was a cat and not just people on the wind up!

If it all happened in 8 hrs, it can't be that hard for anyone to go and drop a carcass in the same area in the evening, leave a trial cam on it and have footage of one in the morning.

I'm not trying to piss on your fireworks mate, I used to think they were out there somewhere myself but as time goes on there is no solid evidence of any so it gets harder to believe each time!

 

most of those pictures were just sent to me mate, so are normally just taken by dog walkers or passers by,I don't do so much in the summer due to to many people, but when I move back into my main area in Autumn one of my first things are going to be baiting my cameras with a road kill deer also going to try some lures both visual and audible, the thing is I have always just accepted they were out there so never really bothered trying to prove it, but in the last year or so I,ve started looking for evidence and collecting data it's also the case that when you do come across something you don't always have your camera or swabbing kit with you which has happened to me on occasions, with regard the DNA side of things A I,m not convinced of the honesty of the labs that do it and B it's not as easy as they make it seem on the telly it's also expensive, saliva contains no DNA it's mostly water but there are dead skin cells in your saliva which is what you need to find to get DNA, if the sun gets on the corpse and dries it out the DNA is gone, and lastly if the fox,s and badgers get on it before you find it again you have very little chance of getting a sample, so the chances of finding a very fresh wet carcass that has not been touched by other animals whilst your carrying your six swabs and six sandwhich bags to keep them fresh and separate is quite a lot of luck and sorry to say it's not happened to me yet, dental markings are quite a bit more easy to get, usually on the hip bone and can't be mistaken for anything else, I know the group I send my stuff off to have a few good dental records from bones in there possession which have been confirmed as cat bite marks, what you also have to understand is that due to the fact governments and councils don't really want it proven plus the amount of people that want to shoot the ideal of big cats down at all costs means that when a case is finally made to prove beyond any doubt we have cats living and breeding in the uk it has to be 120 percent water tight otherwise it will just get brushed aside like all the hundreds of sightings do every other year in this country, there are lots of people like myself all over the country collecting little bits of information , I don't know many of the people or what they have sent in and they don't know me or what I have sent in,

Unless its something new science isnt about some big reveal, rather its a process of the accumulation of evidence to the point that information changes current thinking to become the new excepted opinion. With big cats there has never been any excepted evidence beyond anecdotal sightings and, as what we think we see and what we actually see is often a very different reality, sightings are never going to be accepted as evidence.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion

 

 

Basically there is no real data just anecdote and the plural of anecdote is not evidence it is anecdotes.

 

 

Even if a little evidence were found I would doubt its authenticity.

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Extraordinary_claims_require_extraordinary_evidence

 

 

I do not suggest a breeding population of big cats would be possible in urban areas but when this happens it is seen, studied and observed such as the leopards in Mumbai. The idea that there would be a number of such populations in the UK that have never been observed, studied etc is implausible.

. Them,s some big words and bold statements but in summing up does implausible mean impossible or not very likely ? If it's the latter that's pretty much what I signed up for so I,m happy to carry on ,I have accumulated ten times more evidence in my first year of searching than I ever expected even I,m shocked and much more confident of getting the 10/10 photo within the next two years, i don't really need Wikipedia to tell me I,m wrong I,m well passed that stage but cheers for the links anyway

Them are some big words greyman, errrrm big words boy dunt know how speak to errr. Obviously the fellas spell checker doesnt know the difference between accepted and expected! I dont LOL but if I did i would be LOLing all over this. f****n plant pot. I love muppets who want to sound clever.

 

Well done fella.

 

Back to the discussion.

[kanny 19,322]

 

 

 

 

 

Greyman them photos could be real but they pose a few questions. Why didn't they just simply put a trail cam on the carcass and film the cat when it come back?? Surely there must be DNA all over the carcass, any test results? No photos of tracks in the area? No one called in a big cat expert for official analysis of the scene?

Yes something happened to the deer to make them end up like that, but there is no proof to back up it was a cat and not just people on the wind up!

If it all happened in 8 hrs, it can't be that hard for anyone to go and drop a carcass in the same area in the evening, leave a trial cam on it and have footage of one in the morning.

I'm not trying to piss on your fireworks mate, I used to think they were out there somewhere myself but as time goes on there is no solid evidence of any so it gets harder to believe each time!

 

most of those pictures were just sent to me mate, so are normally just taken by dog walkers or passers by,I don't do so much in the summer due to to many people, but when I move back into my main area in Autumn one of my first things are going to be baiting my cameras with a road kill deer also going to try some lures both visual and audible, the thing is I have always just accepted they were out there so never really bothered trying to prove it, but in the last year or so I,ve started looking for evidence and collecting data it's also the case that when you do come across something you don't always have your camera or swabbing kit with you which has happened to me on occasions, with regard the DNA side of things A I,m not convinced of the honesty of the labs that do it and B it's not as easy as they make it seem on the telly it's also expensive, saliva contains no DNA it's mostly water but there are dead skin cells in your saliva which is what you need to find to get DNA, if the sun gets on the corpse and dries it out the DNA is gone, and lastly if the fox,s and badgers get on it before you find it again you have very little chance of getting a sample, so the chances of finding a very fresh wet carcass that has not been touched by other animals whilst your carrying your six swabs and six sandwhich bags to keep them fresh and separate is quite a lot of luck and sorry to say it's not happened to me yet, dental markings are quite a bit more easy to get, usually on the hip bone and can't be mistaken for anything else, I know the group I send my stuff off to have a few good dental records from bones in there possession which have been confirmed as cat bite marks, what you also have to understand is that due to the fact governments and councils don't really want it proven plus the amount of people that want to shoot the ideal of big cats down at all costs means that when a case is finally made to prove beyond any doubt we have cats living and breeding in the uk it has to be 120 percent water tight otherwise it will just get brushed aside like all the hundreds of sightings do every other year in this country, there are lots of people like myself all over the country collecting little bits of information , I don't know many of the people or what they have sent in and they don't know me or what I have sent in,

Unless its something new science isnt about some big reveal, rather its a process of the accumulation of evidence to the point that information changes current thinking to become the new excepted opinion. With big cats there has never been any excepted evidence beyond anecdotal sightings and, as what we think we see and what we actually see is often a very different reality, sightings are never going to be accepted as evidence.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion

 

 

Basically there is no real data just anecdote and the plural of anecdote is not evidence it is anecdotes.

 

 

Even if a little evidence were found I would doubt its authenticity.

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Extraordinary_claims_require_extraordinary_evidence

 

 

I do not suggest a breeding population of big cats would be possible in urban areas but when this happens it is seen, studied and observed such as the leopards in Mumbai. The idea that there would be a number of such populations in the UK that have never been observed, studied etc is implausible.

. Them,s some big words and bold statements but in summing up does implausible mean impossible or not very likely ? If it's the latter that's pretty much what I signed up for so I,m happy to carry on ,I have accumulated ten times more evidence in my first year of searching than I ever expected even I,m shocked and much more confident of getting the 10/10 photo within the next two years, i don't really need Wikipedia to tell me I,m wrong I,m well passed that stage but cheers for the links anyway

Them are some big words greyman, errrrm big words boy dunt know how speak to errr. Obviously the fellas spell checker doesnt know the difference between accepted and expected! I dont LOL but if I did i would be LOLing all over this. f****n plant pot. I love muppets who want to sound clever.

 

Well done fella.

 

Back to the discussion.

sesquipedalian :

[ryaldinhio 4,125]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Greyman them photos could be real but they pose a few questions. Why didn't they just simply put a trail cam on the carcass and film the cat when it come back?? Surely there must be DNA all over the carcass, any test results? No photos of tracks in the area? No one called in a big cat expert for official analysis of the scene?

Yes something happened to the deer to make them end up like that, but there is no proof to back up it was a cat and not just people on the wind up!

If it all happened in 8 hrs, it can't be that hard for anyone to go and drop a carcass in the same area in the evening, leave a trial cam on it and have footage of one in the morning.

I'm not trying to piss on your fireworks mate, I used to think they were out there somewhere myself but as time goes on there is no solid evidence of any so it gets harder to believe each time!

 

most of those pictures were just sent to me mate, so are normally just taken by dog walkers or passers by,I don't do so much in the summer due to to many people, but when I move back into my main area in Autumn one of my first things are going to be baiting my cameras with a road kill deer also going to try some lures both visual and audible, the thing is I have always just accepted they were out there so never really bothered trying to prove it, but in the last year or so I,ve started looking for evidence and collecting data it's also the case that when you do come across something you don't always have your camera or swabbing kit with you which has happened to me on occasions, with regard the DNA side of things A I,m not convinced of the honesty of the labs that do it and B it's not as easy as they make it seem on the telly it's also expensive, saliva contains no DNA it's mostly water but there are dead skin cells in your saliva which is what you need to find to get DNA, if the sun gets on the corpse and dries it out the DNA is gone, and lastly if the fox,s and badgers get on it before you find it again you have very little chance of getting a sample, so the chances of finding a very fresh wet carcass that has not been touched by other animals whilst your carrying your six swabs and six sandwhich bags to keep them fresh and separate is quite a lot of luck and sorry to say it's not happened to me yet, dental markings are quite a bit more easy to get, usually on the hip bone and can't be mistaken for anything else, I know the group I send my stuff off to have a few good dental records from bones in there possession which have been confirmed as cat bite marks, what you also have to understand is that due to the fact governments and councils don't really want it proven plus the amount of people that want to shoot the ideal of big cats down at all costs means that when a case is finally made to prove beyond any doubt we have cats living and breeding in the uk it has to be 120 percent water tight otherwise it will just get brushed aside like all the hundreds of sightings do every other year in this country, there are lots of people like myself all over the country collecting little bits of information , I don't know many of the people or what they have sent in and they don't know me or what I have sent in,

Unless its something new science isnt about some big reveal, rather its a process of the accumulation of evidence to the point that information changes current thinking to become the new excepted opinion. With big cats there has never been any excepted evidence beyond anecdotal sightings and, as what we think we see and what we actually see is often a very different reality, sightings are never going to be accepted as evidence.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion

 

 

Basically there is no real data just anecdote and the plural of anecdote is not evidence it is anecdotes.

 

 

Even if a little evidence were found I would doubt its authenticity.

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Extraordinary_claims_require_extraordinary_evidence

 

 

I do not suggest a breeding population of big cats would be possible in urban areas but when this happens it is seen, studied and observed such as the leopards in Mumbai. The idea that there would be a number of such populations in the UK that have never been observed, studied etc is implausible.

. Them,s some big words and bold statements but in summing up does implausible mean impossible or not very likely ? If it's the latter that's pretty much what I signed up for so I,m happy to carry on ,I have accumulated ten times more evidence in my first year of searching than I ever expected even I,m shocked and much more confident of getting the 10/10 photo within the next two years, i don't really need Wikipedia to tell me I,m wrong I,m well passed that stage but cheers for the links anyway

Them are some big words greyman, errrrm big words boy dunt know how speak to errr. Obviously the fellas spell checker doesnt know the difference between accepted and expected! I dont LOL but if I did i would be LOLing all over this. f****n plant pot. I love muppets who want to sound clever.

 

Well done fella.

 

Back to the discussion.

sesquipedalian :

I am not one for pretending, things are black and white for me.....I had to google that sesquipthingy.

 

Just so you know I am keeping that for future use to make me sound clevererer.

 

Thankyou.

 

Ry

[Greyman 25,151]

Hope this works just found it on u tube for anyone interested

[sandymere 8,260]

 

 

 

Greyman them photos could be real but they pose a few questions. Why didn't they just simply put a trail cam on the carcass and film the cat when it come back?? Surely there must be DNA all over the carcass, any test results? No photos of tracks in the area? No one called in a big cat expert for official analysis of the scene?

Yes something happened to the deer to make them end up like that, but there is no proof to back up it was a cat and not just people on the wind up!

If it all happened in 8 hrs, it can't be that hard for anyone to go and drop a carcass in the same area in the evening, leave a trial cam on it and have footage of one in the morning.

I'm not trying to piss on your fireworks mate, I used to think they were out there somewhere myself but as time goes on there is no solid evidence of any so it gets harder to believe each time!

most of those pictures were just sent to me mate, so are normally just taken by dog walkers or passers by,I don't do so much in the summer due to to many people, but when I move back into my main area in Autumn one of my first things are going to be baiting my cameras with a road kill deer also going to try some lures both visual and audible, the thing is I have always just accepted they were out there so never really bothered trying to prove it, but in the last year or so I,ve started looking for evidence and collecting data it's also the case that when you do come across something you don't always have your camera or swabbing kit with you which has happened to me on occasions, with regard the DNA side of things A I,m not convinced of the honesty of the labs that do it and B it's not as easy as they make it seem on the telly it's also expensive, saliva contains no DNA it's mostly water but there are dead skin cells in your saliva which is what you need to find to get DNA, if the sun gets on the corpse and dries it out the DNA is gone, and lastly if the fox,s and badgers get on it before you find it again you have very little chance of getting a sample, so the chances of finding a very fresh wet carcass that has not been touched by other animals whilst your carrying your six swabs and six sandwhich bags to keep them fresh and separate is quite a lot of luck and sorry to say it's not happened to me yet, dental markings are quite a bit more easy to get, usually on the hip bone and can't be mistaken for anything else, I know the group I send my stuff off to have a few good dental records from bones in there possession which have been confirmed as cat bite marks, what you also have to understand is that due to the fact governments and councils don't really want it proven plus the amount of people that want to shoot the ideal of big cats down at all costs means that when a case is finally made to prove beyond any doubt we have cats living and breeding in the uk it has to be 120 percent water tight otherwise it will just get brushed aside like all the hundreds of sightings do every other year in this country, there are lots of people like myself all over the country collecting little bits of information , I don't know many of the people or what they have sent in and they don't know me or what I have sent in,

Unless it’s something new science isn’t about some big reveal, rather it’s a process of the accumulation of evidence to the point that information changes current thinking to become the new excepted opinion. With big cats there has never been any excepted evidence beyond anecdotal sightings and, as what we think we see and what we actually see is often a very different reality, sightings are never going to be accepted as evidence.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion

 

 

Basically there is no real data just anecdote and the plural of anecdote is not evidence it is anecdotes.

 

 

Even if a little evidence were found I would doubt its authenticity.

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Extraordinary_claims_require_extraordinary_evidence

 

 

I do not suggest a breeding population of big cats would be possible in urban areas but when this happens it is seen, studied and observed such as the leopards in Mumbai. The idea that there would be a number of such populations in the UK that have never been observed, studied etc is implausible.

. Them,s some big words and bold statements but in summing up does implausible mean impossible or not very likely ? If it's the latter that's pretty much what I signed up for so I,m happy to carry on ,I have accumulated ten times more evidence in my first year of searching than I ever expected even I,m shocked and much more confident of getting the 10/10 photo within the next two years, i don't really need Wikipedia to tell me I,m wrong I,m well passed that stage but cheers for the links anyway

 

Well lets see the evidence, in all honesty I would love to be wrong but

 

 

 

there may be some soon https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/07/lynx-could-return-to-britain-this-year-after-absence-of-1300-years?CMP=fb_gu.

[forest of dean redneck 11,183]

How can they say they belong here when they been extinct for years,what next wolves,bears auroch cattle ffs

[Greyman 25,151]

 

 

 

 

Greyman them photos could be real but they pose a few questions. Why didn't they just simply put a trail cam on the carcass and film the cat when it come back?? Surely there must be DNA all over the carcass, any test results? No photos of tracks in the area? No one called in a big cat expert for official analysis of the scene?

Yes something happened to the deer to make them end up like that, but there is no proof to back up it was a cat and not just people on the wind up!

If it all happened in 8 hrs, it can't be that hard for anyone to go and drop a carcass in the same area in the evening, leave a trial cam on it and have footage of one in the morning.

I'm not trying to piss on your fireworks mate, I used to think they were out there somewhere myself but as time goes on there is no solid evidence of any so it gets harder to believe each time!

 

most of those pictures were just sent to me mate, so are normally just taken by dog walkers or passers by,I don't do so much in the summer due to to many people, but when I move back into my main area in Autumn one of my first things are going to be baiting my cameras with a road kill deer also going to try some lures both visual and audible, the thing is I have always just accepted they were out there so never really bothered trying to prove it, but in the last year or so I,ve started looking for evidence and collecting data it's also the case that when you do come across something you don't always have your camera or swabbing kit with you which has happened to me on occasions, with regard the DNA side of things A I,m not convinced of the honesty of the labs that do it and B it's not as easy as they make it seem on the telly it's also expensive, saliva contains no DNA it's mostly water but there are dead skin cells in your saliva which is what you need to find to get DNA, if the sun gets on the corpse and dries it out the DNA is gone, and lastly if the fox,s and badgers get on it before you find it again you have very little chance of getting a sample, so the chances of finding a very fresh wet carcass that has not been touched by other animals whilst your carrying your six swabs and six sandwhich bags to keep them fresh and separate is quite a lot of luck and sorry to say it's not happened to me yet, dental markings are quite a bit more easy to get, usually on the hip bone and can't be mistaken for anything else, I know the group I send my stuff off to have a few good dental records from bones in there possession which have been confirmed as cat bite marks, what you also have to understand is that due to the fact governments and councils don't really want it proven plus the amount of people that want to shoot the ideal of big cats down at all costs means that when a case is finally made to prove beyond any doubt we have cats living and breeding in the uk it has to be 120 percent water tight otherwise it will just get brushed aside like all the hundreds of sightings do every other year in this country, there are lots of people like myself all over the country collecting little bits of information , I don't know many of the people or what they have sent in and they don't know me or what I have sent in,

Unless it’s something new science isn’t about some big reveal, rather it’s a process of the accumulation of evidence to the point that information changes current thinking to become the new excepted opinion. With big cats there has never been any excepted evidence beyond anecdotal sightings and, as what we think we see and what we actually see is often a very different reality, sightings are never going to be accepted as evidence.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion

 

 

Basically there is no real data just anecdote and the plural of anecdote is not evidence it is anecdotes.

 

 

Even if a little evidence were found I would doubt its authenticity.

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Extraordinary_claims_require_extraordinary_evidence

 

 

I do not suggest a breeding population of big cats would be possible in urban areas but when this happens it is seen, studied and observed such as the leopards in Mumbai. The idea that there would be a number of such populations in the UK that have never been observed, studied etc is implausible.

. Them,s some big words and bold statements but in summing up does implausible mean impossible or not very likely ? If it's the latter that's pretty much what I signed up for so I,m happy to carry on ,I have accumulated ten times more evidence in my first year of searching than I ever expected even I,m shocked and much more confident of getting the 10/10 photo within the next two years, i don't really need Wikipedia to tell me I,m wrong I,m well passed that stage but cheers for the links anyway

Well lets see the evidence, in all honesty I would love to be wrong but

 

 

 

there may be some soon https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/07/lynx-could-return-to-britain-this-year-after-absence-of-1300-years?CMP=fb_gu.

. Everybody involved in big cat research can,t wait for the introduction of the Lynx for the simple reason that when it happens they will be radio collared and will start to mix with the Lynx already here making it much easier to find them and prove there excistance

[Welsh_red 4,302]

 

 

 

 

 

Greyman them photos could be real but they pose a few questions. Why didn't they just simply put a trail cam on the carcass and film the cat when it come back?? Surely there must be DNA all over the carcass, any test results? No photos of tracks in the area? No one called in a big cat expert for official analysis of the scene?

Yes something happened to the deer to make them end up like that, but there is no proof to back up it was a cat and not just people on the wind up!

If it all happened in 8 hrs, it can't be that hard for anyone to go and drop a carcass in the same area in the evening, leave a trial cam on it and have footage of one in the morning.

I'm not trying to piss on your fireworks mate, I used to think they were out there somewhere myself but as time goes on there is no solid evidence of any so it gets harder to believe each time!

most of those pictures were just sent to me mate, so are normally just taken by dog walkers or passers by,I don't do so much in the summer due to to many people, but when I move back into my main area in Autumn one of my first things are going to be baiting my cameras with a road kill deer also going to try some lures both visual and audible, the thing is I have always just accepted they were out there so never really bothered trying to prove it, but in the last year or so I,ve started looking for evidence and collecting data it's also the case that when you do come across something you don't always have your camera or swabbing kit with you which has happened to me on occasions, with regard the DNA side of things A I,m not convinced of the honesty of the labs that do it and B it's not as easy as they make it seem on the telly it's also expensive, saliva contains no DNA it's mostly water but there are dead skin cells in your saliva which is what you need to find to get DNA, if the sun gets on the corpse and dries it out the DNA is gone, and lastly if the fox,s and badgers get on it before you find it again you have very little chance of getting a sample, so the chances of finding a very fresh wet carcass that has not been touched by other animals whilst your carrying your six swabs and six sandwhich bags to keep them fresh and separate is quite a lot of luck and sorry to say it's not happened to me yet, dental markings are quite a bit more easy to get, usually on the hip bone and can't be mistaken for anything else, I know the group I send my stuff off to have a few good dental records from bones in there possession which have been confirmed as cat bite marks, what you also have to understand is that due to the fact governments and councils don't really want it proven plus the amount of people that want to shoot the ideal of big cats down at all costs means that when a case is finally made to prove beyond any doubt we have cats living and breeding in the uk it has to be 120 percent water tight otherwise it will just get brushed aside like all the hundreds of sightings do every other year in this country, there are lots of people like myself all over the country collecting little bits of information , I don't know many of the people or what they have sent in and they don't know me or what I have sent in,

Unless its something new science isnt about some big reveal, rather its a process of the accumulation of evidence to the point that information changes current thinking to become the new excepted opinion. With big cats there has never been any excepted evidence beyond anecdotal sightings and, as what we think we see and what we actually see is often a very different reality, sightings are never going to be accepted as evidence.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion

 

 

Basically there is no real data just anecdote and the plural of anecdote is not evidence it is anecdotes.

 

 

Even if a little evidence were found I would doubt its authenticity.

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Extraordinary_claims_require_extraordinary_evidence

 

 

I do not suggest a breeding population of big cats would be possible in urban areas but when this happens it is seen, studied and observed such as the leopards in Mumbai. The idea that there would be a number of such populations in the UK that have never been observed, studied etc is implausible.

. Them,s some big words and bold statements but in summing up does implausible mean impossible or not very likely ? If it's the latter that's pretty much what I signed up for so I,m happy to carry on ,I have accumulated ten times more evidence in my first year of searching than I ever expected even I,m shocked and much more confident of getting the 10/10 photo within the next two years, i don't really need Wikipedia to tell me I,m wrong I,m well passed that stage but cheers for the links anyway

Well lets see the evidence, in all honesty I would love to be wrong but

 

 

 

there may be some soon https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/07/lynx-could-return-to-britain-this-year-after-absence-of-1300-years?CMP=fb_gu.

There is a moral obligation. We killed every single last one of them for the fur trade, thats a wrong we have to right.

 

No it's not. Don't see these people making waves to bring back small mammals etc

[Welsh_red 4,302]

 

 

 

 

 

Greyman them photos could be real but they pose a few questions. Why didn't they just simply put a trail cam on the carcass and film the cat when it come back?? Surely there must be DNA all over the carcass, any test results? No photos of tracks in the area? No one called in a big cat expert for official analysis of the scene?

Yes something happened to the deer to make them end up like that, but there is no proof to back up it was a cat and not just people on the wind up!

If it all happened in 8 hrs, it can't be that hard for anyone to go and drop a carcass in the same area in the evening, leave a trial cam on it and have footage of one in the morning.

I'm not trying to piss on your fireworks mate, I used to think they were out there somewhere myself but as time goes on there is no solid evidence of any so it gets harder to believe each time!

 

most of those pictures were just sent to me mate, so are normally just taken by dog walkers or passers by,I don't do so much in the summer due to to many people, but when I move back into my main area in Autumn one of my first things are going to be baiting my cameras with a road kill deer also going to try some lures both visual and audible, the thing is I have always just accepted they were out there so never really bothered trying to prove it, but in the last year or so I,ve started looking for evidence and collecting data it's also the case that when you do come across something you don't always have your camera or swabbing kit with you which has happened to me on occasions, with regard the DNA side of things A I,m not convinced of the honesty of the labs that do it and B it's not as easy as they make it seem on the telly it's also expensive, saliva contains no DNA it's mostly water but there are dead skin cells in your saliva which is what you need to find to get DNA, if the sun gets on the corpse and dries it out the DNA is gone, and lastly if the fox,s and badgers get on it before you find it again you have very little chance of getting a sample, so the chances of finding a very fresh wet carcass that has not been touched by other animals whilst your carrying your six swabs and six sandwhich bags to keep them fresh and separate is quite a lot of luck and sorry to say it's not happened to me yet, dental markings are quite a bit more easy to get, usually on the hip bone and can't be mistaken for anything else, I know the group I send my stuff off to have a few good dental records from bones in there possession which have been confirmed as cat bite marks, what you also have to understand is that due to the fact governments and councils don't really want it proven plus the amount of people that want to shoot the ideal of big cats down at all costs means that when a case is finally made to prove beyond any doubt we have cats living and breeding in the uk it has to be 120 percent water tight otherwise it will just get brushed aside like all the hundreds of sightings do every other year in this country, there are lots of people like myself all over the country collecting little bits of information , I don't know many of the people or what they have sent in and they don't know me or what I have sent in,

Unless its something new science isnt about some big reveal, rather its a process of the accumulation of evidence to the point that information changes current thinking to become the new excepted opinion. With big cats there has never been any excepted evidence beyond anecdotal sightings and, as what we think we see and what we actually see is often a very different reality, sightings are never going to be accepted as evidence.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion

 

 

Basically there is no real data just anecdote and the plural of anecdote is not evidence it is anecdotes.

 

 

Even if a little evidence were found I would doubt its authenticity.

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Extraordinary_claims_require_extraordinary_evidence

 

 

I do not suggest a breeding population of big cats would be possible in urban areas but when this happens it is seen, studied and observed such as the leopards in Mumbai. The idea that there would be a number of such populations in the UK that have never been observed, studied etc is implausible.

. Them,s some big words and bold statements but in summing up does implausible mean impossible or not very likely ? If it's the latter that's pretty much what I signed up for so I,m happy to carry on ,I have accumulated ten times more evidence in my first year of searching than I ever expected even I,m shocked and much more confident of getting the 10/10 photo within the next two years, i don't really need Wikipedia to tell me I,m wrong I,m well passed that stage but cheers for the links anyway

Well lets see the evidence, in all honesty I would love to be wrong but

 

 

 

there may be some soon https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/07/lynx-could-return-to-britain-this-year-after-absence-of-1300-years?CMP=fb_gu.

. Everybody involved in big cat research can,t wait for the introduction of the Lynx for the simple reason that when it happens they will be radio collared and will start to mix with the Lynx already here making it much easier to find them and prove there excistance

That kind of stuff would probably be hushed up . If theirs wild lynx then they don't need to reintroduce more and won't get funding

[sandymere 8,260]

 

 

 

 

 

Greyman them photos could be real but they pose a few questions. Why didn't they just simply put a trail cam on the carcass and film the cat when it come back?? Surely there must be DNA all over the carcass, any test results? No photos of tracks in the area? No one called in a big cat expert for official analysis of the scene?

Yes something happened to the deer to make them end up like that, but there is no proof to back up it was a cat and not just people on the wind up!

If it all happened in 8 hrs, it can't be that hard for anyone to go and drop a carcass in the same area in the evening, leave a trial cam on it and have footage of one in the morning.

I'm not trying to piss on your fireworks mate, I used to think they were out there somewhere myself but as time goes on there is no solid evidence of any so it gets harder to believe each time!

most of those pictures were just sent to me mate, so are normally just taken by dog walkers or passers by,I don't do so much in the summer due to to many people, but when I move back into my main area in Autumn one of my first things are going to be baiting my cameras with a road kill deer also going to try some lures both visual and audible, the thing is I have always just accepted they were out there so never really bothered trying to prove it, but in the last year or so I,ve started looking for evidence and collecting data it's also the case that when you do come across something you don't always have your camera or swabbing kit with you which has happened to me on occasions, with regard the DNA side of things A I,m not convinced of the honesty of the labs that do it and B it's not as easy as they make it seem on the telly it's also expensive, saliva contains no DNA it's mostly water but there are dead skin cells in your saliva which is what you need to find to get DNA, if the sun gets on the corpse and dries it out the DNA is gone, and lastly if the fox,s and badgers get on it before you find it again you have very little chance of getting a sample, so the chances of finding a very fresh wet carcass that has not been touched by other animals whilst your carrying your six swabs and six sandwhich bags to keep them fresh and separate is quite a lot of luck and sorry to say it's not happened to me yet, dental markings are quite a bit more easy to get, usually on the hip bone and can't be mistaken for anything else, I know the group I send my stuff off to have a few good dental records from bones in there possession which have been confirmed as cat bite marks, what you also have to understand is that due to the fact governments and councils don't really want it proven plus the amount of people that want to shoot the ideal of big cats down at all costs means that when a case is finally made to prove beyond any doubt we have cats living and breeding in the uk it has to be 120 percent water tight otherwise it will just get brushed aside like all the hundreds of sightings do every other year in this country, there are lots of people like myself all over the country collecting little bits of information , I don't know many of the people or what they have sent in and they don't know me or what I have sent in,

Unless it’s something new science isn’t about some big reveal, rather it’s a process of the accumulation of evidence to the point that information changes current thinking to become the new excepted opinion. With big cats there has never been any excepted evidence beyond anecdotal sightings and, as what we think we see and what we actually see is often a very different reality, sightings are never going to be accepted as evidence.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion

 

 

Basically there is no real data just anecdote and the plural of anecdote is not evidence it is anecdotes.

 

 

Even if a little evidence were found I would doubt its authenticity.

 

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Extraordinary_claims_require_extraordinary_evidence

 

 

I do not suggest a breeding population of big cats would be possible in urban areas but when this happens it is seen, studied and observed such as the leopards in Mumbai. The idea that there would be a number of such populations in the UK that have never been observed, studied etc is implausible.

. Them,s some big words and bold statements but in summing up does implausible mean impossible or not very likely ? If it's the latter that's pretty much what I signed up for so I,m happy to carry on ,I have accumulated ten times more evidence in my first year of searching than I ever expected even I,m shocked and much more confident of getting the 10/10 photo within the next two years, i don't really need Wikipedia to tell me I,m wrong I,m well passed that stage but cheers for the links anyway

Well lets see the evidence, in all honesty I would love to be wrong but

 

 

 

there may be some soon https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/07/lynx-could-return-to-britain-this-year-after-absence-of-1300-years?CMP=fb_gu.

. Everybody involved in big cat research can,t wait for the introduction of the Lynx for the simple reason that when it happens they will be radio collared and will start to mix with the Lynx already here making it much easier to find them and prove there excistance

 

If they are out there then surely they can be seen and studied as they are over the rest of their range, such as southern Spain where they are becoming increasingly rare,or perhaps our UK lynx are a more cunning tribe .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ps for those who struggle with big words a quick key...... increasingly = morer, cunning = cleverer southern = less norther Spain = where you go to get pissed and burn by the pool.