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Very like my pups if I could put a picture up I would lovely looking they cork stuff

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What qualities did the Tip dog add to a line that had English bull as well as fox terrier in the mix

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What qualities did the Tip dog add to a line that had English bull as well as fox terrier in the mix

Allymoore,

 

Just my opinion but I think "Northsider" has written that his line had become too close, he looked outside and was offered Tip to trial and breed from if it suited.

The qualities required that would show up at trial would be....Work, Work and bloody Work, whether he would produce had to be a gamble when bred into a different working line. I don't think that there were any genetic links to Tip. He produced and the rest is history. Tip is in the lines of only a small number of lines in Cork.

Some kennels prefer it this way.

Northside would be able to give a better answer I am sure.

 

Something similar happened when the odd White terrier from Wales (Breay and Barker), Ireland (Irving) and England (Fox terrier in the Lakey's) were bred into the terriers up in Fell Pack country, these men were not afraid to breed based on ability and performance.

They were not too worried about pedigree, coat type, colour etc.... they valued work.

They had no problem writing down that a white dog was used in their line, these men had character.

 

The white line has the same history, men not afraid to bring in a Park terrier if they thought it would work.

 

Compare that to today, where in some lines a sire is selected based on whether the coat is a certain shade!

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What qualities did the Tip dog add to a line that had English bull as well as fox terrier in the mix

Allymoore,

 

Just my opinion but I think "Northsider" has written that his line had become too close, he looked outside and was offered Tip to trial and breed from if it suited.

The qualities required that would show up at trial would be....Work, Work and bloody Work, whether he would produce had to be a gamble when bred into a different working line. I don't think that there were any genetic links to Tip. He produced and the rest is history. Tip is in the lines of only a small number of lines in Cork.

Some kennels prefer it this way.

Northside would be able to give a better answer I am sure.

 

Something similar happened when the odd White terrier from Wales (Breay and Barker), Ireland (Irving) and England (Fox terrier in the Lakey's) were bred into the terriers up in Fell Pack country, these men were not afraid to breed based on ability and performance.

They were not too worried about pedigree, coat type, colour etc.... they valued work.

They had no problem writing down that a white dog was used in their line, these men had character.

 

The white line has the same history, men not afraid to bring in a Park terrier if they thought it would work.

 

Compare that to today, where in some lines a sire is selected based on whether the coat is a certain shade!

 

Good points there in a sensible post.

But some breeders of today get accused of snobbery because they ,firstly choose an outcross because of it's ability, and ,secondly it's of a certain colour.

But the breeders of yesterday were spoilt because good Borders, Sealyhams ,Bull Terriers and Russells were more common.

The terrierman of today who puts some thought into his worker is more confined to the outcross he wants, but not necessarily the amount of dogs available.

The fact that most breeders of black terriers or breeders of white terriers go back to the same colour in this day and age is because in this day and age that's the outcross that will probably have a better chanc.e of working out for them.

Regarding todays breeders compared to yesteryear's ?

I've always said that there's better terriers today than in any time in the past.

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Thanks for the reply it's just depends who you ask some rated the dog while others didn't

The dog was used as an outcross. He didn't need to add anything, all he had to do was produce.

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Luck I've had the last few months, I've packed the black dogs in. Been gifted this little one.... Going back to my roots 🤣 he's white and he's a dog. Atb 

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46 minutes ago, Daniel cain said:

Luck I've had the last few months, I've packed the black dogs in. Been gifted this little one.... Going back to my roots 🤣 he's white and he's a dog. Atb 

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Nice looking russell,D.C. wondered where you been too.

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