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by the time the sire is proven to be worthy of breeding off the first time say 4 yr old then you wait for his daughter to be 4 yr old then her daughter then her daughter and so on you wont have that

FFS breed two decent dogs and pick one of the pups put some decent food in it ,some time and effort and get on with it. Stop looking for the fecking super dog and enjoy yourself and your dog.

What a load of bollocks no wonder there's so much shit being bred

On 21/12/2020 at 15:17, Black neck said:

I see but if u was 2 line a bitch and u stumbled across a dog that was a better worker than yours but not related would unuse that dog or plod on wi ur own stuff

What would the reason to use the non related. You say the dog is a better worker than what I have but my chances of getting the quality of dog I want from breeding to the non related dog aren’t to high regardless of the dog being a better worker.  I keep seeing over and over  again Breed worker to worker it’s simple when that is so far from being even remotely true.  My question is all the guys saying who cares how the dogs bred as long as it’s a top worker how many times have those guys made a breeding and if worker to worker is the best bet than those guys should have whole bunch or top workers that they can show. This isn’t opinion and while  what is known about genetics and how traits are inherited isn’t an exact science there are basic rules that apply. The top breeders of racing greyhounds are damn sure not just going and breeding to a dog strictly based on its performance. No breeder of a top performance animals whose livelihoods depend on being able to produce top workers would do that. You can look at the top race horses same thing   In race horses if you just look at the first three generations your going to think there’s no relation but but then you got two or three relatives multiple times in the fifth sixth and so forth. Not sure what y’all know about horses but every thoroughbred race can be traced back to just three males. The Darley  Arabian, the godolphin Arabian and the Byerley Turk making every thouroughbred race horse close my related regardless of of if in a couple generations there’s no particular horses repeated more than once. 
 

im simplifying genes work and the modes of inheritance but 

Say you have dog and he’s the best worker you ever owned too notch in all areas very minor faults that won’t hinder performance. The best and proven way to have the best chances to get more dogs like him is to take him to related female that has some of the same dogs in the pedigree as he does. But the most important thing is that both the male and female aren’t just a fluke and were the only good dog in there litters and had crap parents. You want to breed to dogs that come from litters that had a fair percentage of good workers and whose parents and grandparents were good workers which tells yo that this line can produce consistently good dogs 

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14 minutes ago, Bolero said:

What would the reason to use the non related. You say the dog is a better worker than what I have but my chances of getting the quality of dog I want from breeding to the non related dog aren’t to high regardless of the dog being a better worker.  I keep seeing over and over  again Breed worker to worker it’s simple when that is so far from being even remotely true.  My question is all the guys saying who cares how the dogs bred as long as it’s a top worker how many times have those guys made a breeding and if worker to worker is the best bet than those guys should have whole bunch or top workers that they can show. This isn’t opinion and while  what is known about genetics and how traits are inherited isn’t an exact science there are basic rules that apply. The top breeders of racing greyhounds are damn sure not just going and breeding to a dog strictly based on its performance. No breeder of a top performance animals whose livelihoods depend on being able to produce top workers would do that. You can look at the top race horses same thing   In race horses if you just look at the first three generations your going to think there’s no relation but but then you got two or three relatives multiple times in the fifth sixth and so forth. Not sure what y’all know about horses but every thoroughbred race can be traced back to just three males. The Darley  Arabian, the godolphin Arabian and the Byerley Turk making every thouroughbred race horse close my related regardless of of if in a couple generations there’s no particular horses repeated more than once. 
 

im simplifying genes work and the modes of inheritance but 

Say you have dog and he’s the best worker you ever owned too notch in all areas very minor faults that won’t hinder performance. The best and proven way to have the best chances to get more dogs like him is to take him to related female that has some of the same dogs in the pedigree as he does. But the most important thing is that both the male and female aren’t just a fluke and were the only good dog in there litters and had crap parents. You want to breed to dogs that come from litters that had a fair percentage of good workers and whose parents and grandparents were good workers which tells yo that this line can produce consistently good dogs 

Ok mate 

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26 minutes ago, Black neck said:

I read it brother and pretended 2 understand it also ,

Did u understand it

Lol yes I understood it. I tend to have a hard time getting my thoughts and writing them in a decently organized and easily understandable way. I’m my head I know exactly what I mean writing it out clearly however is different matter. 
 

not sure how interested in the subject but if you feel like reading a little. Google wright’s coefficient of inbreeding 

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28 minutes ago, Bolero said:

Lol yes I understood it. I tend to have a hard time getting my thoughts and writing them in a decently organized and easily understandable way. I’m my head I know exactly what I mean writing it out clearly however is different matter. 
 

not sure how interested in the subject but if you feel like reading a little. Google wright’s coefficient of inbreeding 

I actually helped Wright with that theory 

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27 minutes ago, Bolero said:

Lol yes I understood it. I tend to have a hard time getting my thoughts and writing them in a decently organized and easily understandable way. I’m my head I know exactly what I mean writing it out clearly however is different matter. 
 

not sure how interested in the subject but if you feel like reading a little. Google wright’s coefficient of inbreeding 

I read your write up mate fair play. my self I stuggle to get down in writing what I’m actually on about I write a lot of replys that I delete because I feel it’s to long a reply to something simple plus I get told it’s a sermon ? it don’t bother me but think what’s the point in the end as every reply you give most take it as a insult 

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4 minutes ago, poxon said:

I read your write up mate fair play. my self I stuggle to get down in writing what I’m actually on about I write a lot of replys that I delete because I feel it’s to long a reply to something simple plus I get told it’s a sermon ? it don’t bother me but think what’s the point in the end as every reply you give most take it as a insult 

Fackin mean by that ya mag

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I'm very lucky that I can keep as many dogs as I do & work them .One of my bitches who's a very good dog  has dropped a litter of 7 pups yesterday. She is  the result of 25 years of breeding the best we have to each other .These pups have been sired by the bitches grandfather also a very good dog ,a method I call one out then back in resulting in getting a double dose of the sire & this has resulted in many wonderful working  dogs .We only breed from proven high quality workers  ,but its fair to say they now carry a real mix of breeds and so to get a standard type pup , we like to use a Dam or Sire that is a cross of two breeds only so when come back in you get a double dose of those two breeds ,seems to work enough for us .A small group of us like minded people share the lines and pups ,any that are not required are sold to pet homes to off set the cost of keeping the others  .

 

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