Moral Of The Story Is?????

[donnyc 1,203]

Nicholas Valentine There was a guy in this area who had a lot of success running a pack of Russell's driving foxes to guns . He had a pack of about fifteen dogs and the whole lot would work an earth and bolt anything there . As none were stayers they would all come away if he moved on . I'm sure most people would not regard these as good terriers , but he achieved results with them that would have been impossible with good digging dogs .

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[beamish78 142]

horses for courses

[foxdropper 17,092]

So let's get that right .15 dogs in an earth lol and the fox always bolted .Only on thl.Just re read and it said Russels so yes ,everyday .

[neil cooney 10,415]

When I hear lads say that their terriers are single handed proper workers but they also use them as a pack I take their words with a big pinch of salt, a bucket full in fact.

Foxes will go to ground, that's a fact, and they'll go into the smallest of places and it would only take something like the wind to be on the back of the guns and a fox would go in rather than make for the open.

Then you have several terriers to ground which IMO is cruel to terriers. The fox will only be facing one terrier but that terrier will be pushed forward, it's as simple as that.

I do believe theirs lads who work terriers as a pack with great success but to try and say that each of these terriers are a trustworthy worker underground IMO is just not an exaggeration, it's a lie.

[leethedog 3,071]

Is the moral of the story don't buy a russell coz you need 15 to bolt 1 fox

Edited March 22, 2017 by leethedog

[leethedog 3,071]

Was just a jibe 5 feet I'm well aware of good white dogs

[neil cooney 10,415]

I agree too that there's some excellent Russells out there. Smasher on here, had a Russell only a few years ago that was as good as most or any Fell types.

But I do believe that for consistency you can't beat a good line of black terriers. I don't buy this craic of going through several terriers to get a good one.

Another thing I've noticed over the years is that some of the best men to work a terrier by getting the most out of it kept Russells.

Whether it's because a Russell needs as much help as it can get or because a lot of Russell keepers need different tools in their tool boxes (I don't usually call terriers tools, I hate it in fact) ie. bolters, stayers and ones that can be called out.

Bert Gripton and Eddie Chapman always summed up the good Russell men IMO in how they'd explain in their day how they needed one for bolting, a fox killer and then a steady badger terrier and all the others in between.

Whereas IMO those who breed the Fell types (and lets face it nowadays that mostly means black terriers) not only tend to be better record keepers (IMO anyways) but just need one to find and stay. Whether it's hard or a mixer the standard is to find and stay.

Fatman had a black one a few years back (his father was a Lakeland) called Tod, who I used to jokingly say was a lazy mans dog.

You put him in, you located him and you dug to him. Everytime.

That to me sums up what those who take the coloured terriers seriously strive for.

IMO the Jack Russell fan needs a more all rounder.

 

Another thing I've noticed many times over the years is a few Gamekeepers and several Hunt Terriermen who have lines of coloured terriers they're proud off but still keep one or two small Russell for those quick bolts that are often needed.

Is this because the Russell they have is more ideal for the job ?

Or,

Is this because they'd be ashamed to say that the little 10 minute wonder they use is not from their line ?

[donnyc 1,203]

So let's get that right .15 dogs in an earth lol and the fox always bolted .Only on thl.Just re read and it said Russels so yes ,everyday .

feck off it says bolt everything in there not just foxes..LOL He tried blacks but they didnt like the dark

[Lenmcharristar 9,173]

Well I love all the colours of terriers that work, that's my lefty approach to it haha

[donnyc 1,203]

Is the moral of the story don't buy a russell coz you need 15 to bolt 1 fox

No

[jiggy 3,207]

A good single handed digging dog is useless at bushing with a pack of other dogs the same as bushing dogs that yo-yo in and out of earths with other dogs is useless as a digging dog. People fail to see the difference between them both have there uses for completely different jobs and both account for foxes and to try compare them is just shit stirring it's like comparing a Labrador retrieving a duck off of a lake to a saluki catching a hare in the desert, why bother? Which type is harder to get? Certainly the good digging dog. Which account for most foxes? Probably the bushing dog when working with guns. I don't know why people get into a flurry when the other type is mentioned. Bushing is great craic listening to the excuses of why the fox wasn't shot the same as digging is great craic asking the lad on the shovel why he's puffing and panting in the hole and when is his dog going go walk.?

Edited March 22, 2017 by jiggy

[Lenmcharristar 9,173]

A good single handed digging dog is useless at bushing with a pack of other dogs the same as bushing dogs that yo-yo in and out of earths with other dogs is useless as a digging dog. People fail to see the difference between them both have there uses for completely different jobs and both account for foxes and to try compare them is just shit stirring it's like comparing a Labrador retrieving a duck off of a lake to a saluki catching a hare in the desert, why bother? Which type is harder to get? Certainly the good digging dog. Which account for most foxes? Probably the bushing dog when working with guns. I don't know why people get into a flurry when the other type is mentioned. Bushing is great craic listening to the excuses of why the fox wasn't shot the same as digging is great craic asking the lad on the shovel why he's puffing and panting in the hole and when is his dog going go walk.

your right mate, neither is wrong, just one more specialised at the different jobs, good bushers can bring excitement to a normal dander, where as a good digging dog can bring squeaky bum time to a normal dander lol. But both can bring a sense of satisfaction with the end result, it's all down to what the owner wants as his prefare type of hunting

[Accip74 7,112]

Groundhog Day?

[mango 342]

I used to hunt with nick and I can assure you he didn't have a pack of Russell's he had griffon vendeens, hairy French bassets,he did however run two pit bulls with his pack.

Better add this was a while ago but he only had the odd terrier about him at that time.

Edited March 22, 2017 by mango

[donnyc 1,203]

I used to hunt with nick and I can assure you he didn't have a pack of Russell's he had griffon vendeens, hairy French bassets,he did however run two pit bulls with his pack.

Better add this was a while ago but he only had the odd terrier about him at that time.

Well he wrote the above statement..About someone he knew that I said was a load of bollocks