Trump Under Fire

[ChrisJones 7,973]

1 hour ago, WILF said:

See, The media is awash with stories like that about Trump.

Its all seedy little old woman’s gossip, Same as all this Russia business.

So I have to ask, what real effect is that going to have on what the bloke can achieve as a president?......how will him knocking the granny out of some blonde impact on the USAs ability to put itself and its people first ?

Ill be honest, if there had been a British prime minister who actually put Britain first and didn’t treat its culture and people like something on the bottom of their shoe......I genuinely wouldn’t give a f**k if they spent their spare time balls deep in farm animals !!

Its the c**ts that want to take their own people to the cleaners over everything and act holier than thou that I expect to be an angel.

Voon always puts up videos with anti Trump bias but I have to say, all that shit is having the opposite effect on me......the more people slag him the more I think he must be doing right.

I find myself actually rooting for the bloke more......because what none of these people do or indeed can do is hold up an example of when someone else got it right so far! 

Here's the thing, mate. I've been a bit of a sh*th**se with that link. I throw the odd one in every now and again to see if anyone reads past the headline. That one is from The Onion and I'm not sure whether you're familiar with their journalism but they're very heavily into satire. That article is about how this alleged actress paid him hush money because of her reputation.

The quality of news has taken a nosedive in recent years. It's hit rock bottom in the last two. I've posted inflammatory headlines on here over the years but for the last couple, I've been trying really hard to look at the sources and cross-reference the stories across multiple outlets for inconsistencies and journalistic biases. I think I've got a lot better at it too because I post less of them and I don't get challenged on them as much either.

That's one of the reasons I've refrained from posting about these alleged scandals. The book. The anonymous sources. The back-handed comments and now the alleged affair. That sh*t is like shooting fish in a barrel and until there's unequivocal proof of shenanigans I'll leave that to the tabloids. Of course, they're out to get him and they smell blood but you're absolutely right about whether it affects his ability to do the job or not.

However, Don gets a free pass on THL because he's a populist with a decent following on here. The irony isn't wasted that he's held to a much lower standard than anyone else in government either as if any of this had happened in the UK they'd have been retired by now. As I've said for the last year I'll judge the man on his results. So far there isn't really anything to judge. I've filed my tax return this year and I'm $1900 worse off than I was last year under the old tax system, despite working fewer hours. So much for helping out the working man.

[ChrisJones 7,973]

On 1/29/2018 at 08:11, kanny said:

I've just watched the piers Morgan interview and funnily enough he didn't mention that

I haven't seen it and I have no real desire to either. I have heard that Piersy let him slide and babbled his way around the tricky stuff... Would you agree with that assessment?

[ChrisJones 7,973]

4 minutes ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

Yes, it's generally quite easy to know if something or someone is actually doing a good job or making good progress like trump is. 

It's not by the support they get, it's by the opposition they receive! Truth is always opposed. 

How do you quantify good job and making good progress? What has he actually achieved versus what he said he wants to do?

[kanny 19,379]

Just now, ChrisJones said:

I haven't seen it and I have no real desire to either. I have heard that Piersy let him slide and babbled his way around the tricky stuff... Would you agree with that assessment?

It was a bit of a schmooze fest yes the few times trump was pushed he just deflected it with how great he is... All that said I still admit I enjoyed the interview but maybe not for the right reasons 

[WILF 44,259]

12 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

Here's the thing, mate. I've been a bit of a sh*th**se with that link. I throw the odd one in every now and again to see if anyone reads past the headline. That one is from The Onion and I'm not sure whether you're familiar with their journalism but they're very heavily into satire. That article is about how this alleged actress paid him hush money because of her reputation.

The quality of news has taken a nosedive in recent years. It's hit rock bottom in the last two. I've posted inflammatory headlines on here over the years but for the last couple, I've been trying really hard to look at the sources and cross-reference the stories across multiple outlets for inconsistencies and journalistic biases. I think I've got a lot better at it too because I post less of them and I don't get challenged on them as much either.

That's one of the reasons I've refrained from posting about these alleged scandals. The book. The anonymous sources. The back-handed comments and now the alleged affair. That sh*t is like shooting fish in a barrel and until there's unequivocal proof of shenanigans I'll leave that to the tabloids. Of course, they're out to get him and they smell blood but you're absolutely right about whether it affects his ability to do the job or not.

However, Don gets a free pass on THL because he's a populist with a decent following on here. The irony isn't wasted that he's held to a much lower standard than anyone else in government either as if any of this had happened in the UK they'd have been retired by now. As I've said for the last year I'll judge the man on his results. So far there isn't really anything to judge. I've filed my tax return this year and I'm $1900 worse off than I was last year under the old tax system, despite working fewer hours. So much for helping out the working man.

I will totally agree mate, he is held to a lower standard on here but in fairness in lots of blokes (like me) mind he hasn’t got much to live upto in the first place.

Not good that a working bloke is worse off either, that’s not how it’s meant to work.....so it’s a “D-“ for him on that.

All I will say is that for any state leader who wants to change things from what we have seen and do see there is going to be a lot of painful medicine for everyone to cure the malignant sickness of previous regimes.......much like the Thatcher era.

It was painful, REALLY f***ing painful but it cured the former sickness.......alright it got replaced with another horrible sickness, but it did cure the Britain of pre 78 

[ChrisJones 7,973]

8 minutes ago, kanny said:

It was a bit of a schmooze fest yes the few times trump was pushed he just deflected it with how great he is... All that said I still admit I enjoyed the interview but maybe not for the right reasons 

Y'see after Piersy had that show on CNN and he was always going for the jugular I was expecting something a little more 'newsworthy' from a guy that heavily aligned himself with the Obamas. I can't imagine Snow or Paxman would have let that sh*t slide but then that's probably why old Piersy got the interview in the first place. Soft target journalism.

[ChrisJones 7,973]

1 minute ago, WILF said:

I will totally agree mate, he is held to a lower standard on here but in fairness in lots of blokes (like me) mind he hasn’t got much to live upto in the first place.

Not good that a working bloke is worse off either, that’s not how it’s meant to work.....so it’s a “D-“ for him on that.

All I will say is that for any state leader who wants to change things from what we have seen and do see there is going to be a lot of painful medicine for everyone to cure the malignant sickness of previous regimes.......much like the Thatcher era.

It was painful, REALLY f***ing painful but it cured the former sickness.......alright it got replaced with another horrible sickness, but it did cure the Britain of pre 78 

I can't argue with that but bluster aside we're pretty much at the status quo. If this is the cure I hope we start to see signs of recovery soon!

[kanny 19,379]

1 minute ago, ChrisJones said:

Y'see after Piersy had that show on CNN and he was always going for the jugular I was expecting something a little more 'newsworthy' from a guy that heavily aligned himself with the Obamas. I can't imagine Snow or Paxman would have let that sh*t slide but then that's probably why old Piersy got the interview in the first place. Soft target journalism.

Without a doubt it was soft journalism. 

.he did bring up the gun thing and fair play trump said like it or not I stand by the 2nd... peirs also tried to drag a apology out of him for the Britain first retweets and never really got one but piers claimed victory anyway lol ... That was about as edgy as it got  

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

1 hour ago, ChrisJones said:

How do you quantify good job and making good progress? What has he actually achieved versus what he said he wants to do?

Before you can go forward, sometimes you need to go backwards. Back an undo damage that's been done.

Out of TPP, Out of Paris Climate agreement, Bringing businesses back to the the USA. 

These are massive positives to the future development of America. Without such things done, America would be going nowhere. All these globalist, socialist agenda's are no longer being forced as governmental policy. The big picture is far more telling than smaller details. 

The entire political, elite business world was against him. Every corrupt dictator even the pope and the EU. 

If you can withstand that, and be elected, that's progress. 

 

 

Edited January 30, 2018 by Neobliviscaris1776

[ChrisJones 7,973]

29 minutes ago, Neobliviscaris1776 said:

Before you can go forward, sometimes you need to go backwards. Back an undo damage that's been done.

Out of TPP, Out of Paris Climate agreement, Bringing businesses back to the the USA. 

These are massive positives to the future development of America. Without such things done, America would be going nowhere. All these globalist, socialist agenda's are no longer being forced as governmental policy. The big picture is far more telling than smaller details. 

The entire political, elite business world was against him. Every corrupt dictator even the pope and the EU. 

If you can withstand that, and be elected, that's progress.

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The TPP was never in force, to begin with. They're still in the Paris accord and there isn't a massive swing of these businesses returning to the US at present. The economy rebounded and has been chugging along quite nicely for the best part of the last decade.

I get what you're saying about undoing the damage but we can go back through this thread to highlight the additional and separate damage that's being done in between. Ever since the global economy went tango uniform in 2008/9 the US has been steadily recovering and this has continued under Trump. He hasn't orchestrated that he's simply at the helm while it continues to improve. The only thing he's actually worked in is the tax reform which has blessed corporations and passed the bill back onto the taxpayer to make the shortfall.

Again he's promised a lot but delivered very little and if his big picture is selling off the assets of the American people to corporate interests I honestly cannot see how this is a benefit to the people he works for.

[VOON 1,313]

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/1/30/16953558/state-of-the-union-trump-north-korea

[VOON 1,313]

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/1/30/16951490/trump-russia-dossier-cody-shearer-memo-nunes

 

 

[VOON 1,313]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/stormy-daniels-suggests-signature-on-latest-statement-denying-affair-with-trump-is-a-fake/article/2647650

[VOON 1,313]

Wilf,  I refresh a Google search page titled "Trump latest news".....I post the good stories as well....it's just there's feck all....if it seem's I have a bias and am seeking negative Trump stories, it's not the case......it's current news re a fascinating subject....better than Eastenders......

 

try it yourself.....feck all positive news in MSM.....

Edited January 31, 2018 by VOON

[Neobliviscaris1776 1,998]

On 30/01/2018 at 18:44, ChrisJones said:

The TPP was never in force, to begin with. They're still in the Paris accord and there isn't a massive swing of these businesses returning to the US at present. The economy rebounded and has been chugging along quite nicely for the best part of the last decade.

I get what you're saying about undoing the damage but we can go back through this thread to highlight the additional and separate damage that's being done in between. Ever since the global economy went tango uniform in 2008/9 the US has been steadily recovering and this has continued under Trump. He hasn't orchestrated that he's simply at the helm while it continues to improve. The only thing he's actually worked in is the tax reform which has blessed corporations and passed the bill back onto the taxpayer to make the shortfall.

Again he's promised a lot but delivered very little and if his big picture is selling off the assets of the American people to corporate interests I honestly cannot see how this is a benefit to the people he works for.

Granted, your never going to get anything close to a fair system no matter who's taking the lead! The world is so complex, many special interests etc etc etc, you know what I mean. 

But at the same time, the rules are simple which is to keep the people at bay and the power structure in place, that's how it's always been and will be until the people care enough to act. No, not vote, act!

His election as President shouldn't of happened in the eyes of the power structure. And this in itself is monumental. 

Regarding monuments (or really government owned land which governments have no right to own), it's part of freedom and capitalism.

I understand the arguments for it but it can only be two ways. Land should not be owned by government, it should be owned by people and if there's surplus land, then people should be permitted to live on it and make a living.