Tail Docking Rep Of Ireland

[Mary 352]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As you all know I breed "REDLINE" Plummer terriers, probably 2 or 3 litters a year for the past 5 yrs or so, my vet docks and dew claws for a tenner a pup and I have to say its the best money I spend, I have had the RSPCA at my door from pups I sold to lads in Swansea,Liverpool and Scotland, its easy for me as I just give them his name and address,phone number,etc and thats the end of it, like the rest of you boys I docked my own since the late 70's without any problems to the pups but its just not worth taking a chance for the small amount it costs getting it done properly, the only issue I have had with my vet is that left to him he would do a very short dock whereas I like a longer dock, I mark where I want them cutting and thats it,hassle free, WM

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So you just breed for £££ then ?

3 litters a year for last 5 years, Ching Ching.

He ain't trying to better the Plummer terrier.

He only wants to line his pockets.

That's the sad reality of puppy farms.

15 litters in 36 months, that's an average(ish) litter every 8 or 9 weeks, he's a canine factory.

That's some god damn awful maths ?

I did say "ish", 36 months(4 weeks in a month) =144 weeks divided by 15 litters is exactly 9.6 weeks, so wasn't far off.

there is more than 4 weeks in most months so there is 156 weeks in 3 years (36 months) A litter every 10.4 weeks when there's 52 weeks in a year multiplied by 3. Maths lesson 2 will be at 4pm tomorrow can all students please attend.?

Still, it's not a bad deduction for someone who can't read write or add.

As for maths lesson number 2, work this out for me, he's been doing this since the 70's lol, how many pups is that, I'd say it's about 600,000.

Edited February 18, 2017 by Mary

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Ffs lol

[jiggy 3,207]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As you all know I breed "REDLINE" Plummer terriers, probably 2 or 3 litters a year for the past 5 yrs or so, my vet docks and dew claws for a tenner a pup and I have to say its the best money I spend, I have had the RSPCA at my door from pups I sold to lads in Swansea,Liverpool and Scotland, its easy for me as I just give them his name and address,phone number,etc and thats the end of it, like the rest of you boys I docked my own since the late 70's without any problems to the pups but its just not worth taking a chance for the small amount it costs getting it done properly, the only issue I have had with my vet is that left to him he would do a very short dock whereas I like a longer dock, I mark where I want them cutting and thats it,hassle free, WM

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So you just breed for £££ then ?

3 litters a year for last 5 years, Ching Ching.

He ain't trying to better the Plummer terrier.

He only wants to line his pockets.

That's the sad reality of puppy farms.

15 litters in 36 months, that's an average(ish) litter every 8 or 9 weeks, he's a canine factory.

That's some god damn awful maths ?

I did say "ish", 36 months(4 weeks in a month) =144 weeks divided by 15 litters is exactly 9.6 weeks, so wasn't far off.

there is more than 4 weeks in most months so there is 156 weeks in 3 years (36 months) A litter every 10.4 weeks when there's 52 weeks in a year multiplied by 3. Maths lesson 2 will be at 4pm tomorrow can all students please attend.?

Still, it's not a bad deduction for someone who can't read write or add.

As for maths lesson number 2, work this out for me, he's been doing this since the 70's lol, how many pups is that, I'd say it's about 600,000.

you,re hard on him it works out at only 598,846 pups ?????

[Dead Eyes 680]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As you all know I breed "REDLINE" Plummer terriers, probably 2 or 3 litters a year for the past 5 yrs or so, my vet docks and dew claws for a tenner a pup and I have to say its the best money I spend, I have had the RSPCA at my door from pups I sold to lads in Swansea,Liverpool and Scotland, its easy for me as I just give them his name and address,phone number,etc and thats the end of it, like the rest of you boys I docked my own since the late 70's without any problems to the pups but its just not worth taking a chance for the small amount it costs getting it done properly, the only issue I have had with my vet is that left to him he would do a very short dock whereas I like a longer dock, I mark where I want them cutting and thats it,hassle free, WM

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So you just breed for £££ then ?

3 litters a year for last 5 years, Ching Ching.

He ain't trying to better the Plummer terrier.

He only wants to line his pockets.

That's the sad reality of puppy farms.

15 litters in 36 months, that's an average(ish) litter every 8 or 9 weeks, he's a canine factory.

That's some god damn awful maths ?

I did say "ish", 36 months(4 weeks in a month) =144 weeks divided by 15 litters is exactly 9.6 weeks, so wasn't far off.

there is more than 4 weeks in most months so there is 156 weeks in 3 years (36 months) A litter every 10.4 weeks when there's 52 weeks in a year multiplied by 3. Maths lesson 2 will be at 4pm tomorrow can all students please attend.?

Darling, for the 15 litters you'd also need the 5 years ("3 litters a year over the last 5 years")

 

That's 60 months

 

It's a litter every 4 months.

 

FYI there's 52 weeks in a year.

 

It's still quite high, but the mans out doing the work required of his terriers 7 days a week.

 

I don't necessarily believe all that he says but To keep larger yards of dogs going it takes a few sales every now and again. It is what it is.

[Plucky1 1,119]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As you all know I breed "REDLINE" Plummer terriers, probably 2 or 3 litters a year for the past 5 yrs or so, my vet docks and dew claws for a tenner a pup and I have to say its the best money I spend, I have had the RSPCA at my door from pups I sold to lads in Swansea,Liverpool and Scotland, its easy for me as I just give them his name and address,phone number,etc and thats the end of it, like the rest of you boys I docked my own since the late 70's without any problems to the pups but its just not worth taking a chance for the small amount it costs getting it done properly, the only issue I have had with my vet is that left to him he would do a very short dock whereas I like a longer dock, I mark where I want them cutting and thats it,hassle free, WM

DSC_0006 2.JPG

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So you just breed for £££ then ?

3 litters a year for last 5 years, Ching Ching.

He ain't trying to better the Plummer terrier.

He only wants to line his pockets.

That's the sad reality of puppy farms.

15 litters in 36 months, that's an average(ish) litter every 8 or 9 weeks, he's a canine factory.

That's some god damn awful maths

I did say "ish", 36 months(4 weeks in a month) =144 weeks divided by 15 litters is exactly 9.6 weeks, so wasn't far off.

there is more than 4 weeks in most months so there is 156 weeks in 3 years (36 months) A litter every 10.4 weeks when there's 52 weeks in a year multiplied by 3. Maths lesson 2 will be at 4pm tomorrow can all students please attend.

Darling, for the 15 litters you'd also need the 5 years ("3 litters a year over the last 5 years")

 

That's 60 months

 

It's a litter every 4 months.

 

FYI there's 52 weeks in a year.

 

It's still quite high, but the mans out doing the work required of his terriers 7 days a week.

 

I don't necessarily believe all that he says but To keep larger yards of dogs going it takes a few sales every now and again. It is what it is.

 

I have only ever kept 3 bitches maximum and the year there was 3 litters was obviously when all 3 were bred, 2 to different studs,1 bitch had 3,1 bitch had 4 and the other had 7,all the bitches were booked before they were born, a couple of the dogs and the rest were sold, so 14 in total, when breeding to a programme a pup off each of the studs were placed where they can be bred when needed, F8ck knows how you get them mad figures of 600,000 pups, I have probably bred 1 litter per year off 1 bitch though since the late 70's, so at most between 4 - 6 pups in total, I have pictures of every cross and litter I have bred, they all whelp indoors and are fed on the best until they leave,they are wormed and never carry a flea and it shows by their condition when ready to go, I only keep 2 bitches and a dog myself now at home so its certainly not a puppy farm LOL's, WM

Edited February 18, 2017 by Plucky1

[Plucky1 1,119]

Hey obviously rounded it up a bit ffs, why take him so litterally hahahaha

I only deal in facts and truth, no room for hearsay , WM

[MOLE265 792]

 

 

Hey obviously rounded it up a bit ffs, why take him so litterally hahahaha

I only deal in facts and truth, no room for hearsay , WM

WM = WALTER MITTY.

Edited February 18, 2017 by MOLE265

[MOLE265 792]

Darling, for the 15 litters you'd also need the 5 years ("3 litters a year over the last 5 years")

 

That's 60 months

 

It's a litter every 4 months.

 

FYI there's 52 weeks in a year.

 

It's still quite high, but the mans out doing the work required of his terriers 7 days a week.

 

I don't necessarily believe all that he says but To keep larger yards of dogs going it takes a few sales every now and again. It is what it is.

 

He says he dosn't need the money he gives it to his wife, he also said he dosn't cull pups he couldn't do that so if a health issue did crop up it would be sold on how is that taking a breed forward.

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Mole265, I assure you there is no agenda to any of my posts, I used to post of all sorts of days out on this forum, I was then told by lads that have never seen my dogs working that Plummers are this and Plummers are that even after seeing pics of them actually doing it !!! I took some lads out and let them make their own minds up about them and many took a pup when I bred the terrier they seen working, beyond that I don't actually see there is more I could of done. I have always vehemently defended myself from criticism and they are the same crowd that jump on the bandwagon every time I post, it has become boringly predictable and expected, they are all lads I have shot down in the past with hard facts and pics.

You talk of an agenda, my only agenda has been to let other lads see they are a decent all-round dog that can do anything if time is put into them, they are not a balls out digging dog although I have seen many that have been used that way, if you took off the blinkers you may realise different dogs for different jobs, the Plummer terrier has suffered from 20 yrs of "Brian Plummer" syndrome, he encouraged the clubs (who got behind him) to sell to families of middle class ownership, most non-working huge dogs, the breeders were heavily biased by women and men that have never worked a terrier to ground, however a small element like myself were gifted some foundation stock in the late 70's and continued to work them to ground, Bill Mossman produced a line that were well known for groundwork but became to heavily inbred and were dog aggressive by the lad that took them over Derek Palmer (REMLAP),in the 80's I kept many other types of terrier(Nuttall,Hardie,etc) and the Plummer was still known as a Russell,they only weighed 8-10 lb and were a handy tool to have if you wanted a terrier that could fly around an earth forcing a bolt, the type I keep now is very similar and can be dug to when something decides its staying,most lads hate Plummers because of either him or the knob heads you see trailing them around at shows,I am no different to many of you lads when I see what should of been a decent terrier with no signs of work at a show or gamefair, I have never showed a terrier or sold one to anybody on this site so I am not trying to self promote my line, the difference between me and most terrier men on here is that I have spent many years digging/bolting with all types, I chose to keep only Plummers and improve on what I had around when the the writing was on the wall for taking dogs out that were heavily marked up and the rest is history, these are my terriers of choice, they suit me and they do not get a second look when out and being good on the eye they are popular, I try to put every surplus pup in a working home and I see no wrong in it, I will put a thread up later tonight when the idiots are all "glued up" or high on weed to save anymore on this thread then you can sling the mud directly at me, LOL's,WM

I am not knocking the breed or what they can and can't do but why if you dislike Plummer did you help promote his life's work and cement his legacy built on lies and tall tales and glorify the man when there was other breeds you could of helped promote that were good all rounders without been over hard and show too many signs of work and draw attention when out for a walk in public with them. I'm not knocking you or the dogs I'm sure they work exactly as you want them but why help Plummer (the man)out? Edited February 18, 2017 by jiggy

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WM

 

It wasn't me that suggested 600k pups

 

I've previously seen pups in your garden and they looked in fine fettle. As did your garden too if I remember rightly

 

I'm not 100% buying the bit about "taking the breed forward" - that was all - if they're not registered then can't be added into the root stock currently out there. Not when they're pushing towards recognition

 

Mole; I'm pretty sure he'd cull for health issues. I'm not speaking for the man and don't know for 100% though

[nans pat 2,575]

ya just cut them.. whos going to pull you in ireland for a dog with a docked tail ffs

[jiggy 3,207]

There was a case in Wicklow last sept of docked Russell pups and dewclaws removed with no Certs for sale on DoneDeal that were reported to ISPCA and the court made them pay 625 to ispca plus 625 to state costs. So yes it would be better to pay 50 to vet than 1250 in fines.

[Plucky1 1,119]

 

Mole265, I assure you there is no agenda to any of my posts, I used to post of all sorts of days out on this forum, I was then told by lads that have never seen my dogs working that Plummers are this and Plummers are that even after seeing pics of them actually doing it !!! I took some lads out and let them make their own minds up about them and many took a pup when I bred the terrier they seen working, beyond that I don't actually see there is more I could of done. I have always vehemently defended myself from criticism and they are the same crowd that jump on the bandwagon every time I post, it has become boringly predictable and expected, they are all lads I have shot down in the past with hard facts and pics.

You talk of an agenda, my only agenda has been to let other lads see they are a decent all-round dog that can do anything if time is put into them, they are not a balls out digging dog although I have seen many that have been used that way, if you took off the blinkers you may realise different dogs for different jobs, the Plummer terrier has suffered from 20 yrs of "Brian Plummer" syndrome, he encouraged the clubs (who got behind him) to sell to families of middle class ownership, most non-working huge dogs, the breeders were heavily biased by women and men that have never worked a terrier to ground, however a small element like myself were gifted some foundation stock in the late 70's and continued to work them to ground, Bill Mossman produced a line that were well known for groundwork but became to heavily inbred and were dog aggressive by the lad that took them over Derek Palmer (REMLAP),in the 80's I kept many other types of terrier(Nuttall,Hardie,etc) and the Plummer was still known as a Russell,they only weighed 8-10 lb and were a handy tool to have if you wanted a terrier that could fly around an earth forcing a bolt, the type I keep now is very similar and can be dug to when something decides its staying,most lads hate Plummers because of either him or the knob heads you see trailing them around at shows,I am no different to many of you lads when I see what should of been a decent terrier with no signs of work at a show or gamefair, I have never showed a terrier or sold one to anybody on this site so I am not trying to self promote my line, the difference between me and most terrier men on here is that I have spent many years digging/bolting with all types, I chose to keep only Plummers and improve on what I had around when the the writing was on the wall for taking dogs out that were heavily marked up and the rest is history, these are my terriers of choice, they suit me and they do not get a second look when out and being good on the eye they are popular, I try to put every surplus pup in a working home and I see no wrong in it, I will put a thread up later tonight when the idiots are all "glued up" or high on weed to save anymore on this thread then you can sling the mud directly at me, LOL's,WM

I am not knocking the breed or what they can and can't do but why if you dislike Plummer did you help promote his life's work and cement his legacy built on lies and tall tales and glorify the man when there was other breeds you could of helped promote that were good all rounders without been over hard and show too many signs of work and draw attention when out for a walk in public with them. I'm not knocking you or the dogs I'm sure they work exactly as you want them but why help Plummer (the man)out?

 

I will cover that in my thread ,WM

[jiggy 3,207]

 

 

 

Mole265, I assure you there is no agenda to any of my posts, I used to post of all sorts of days out on this forum, I was then told by lads that have never seen my dogs working that Plummers are this and Plummers are that even after seeing pics of them actually doing it !!! I took some lads out and let them make their own minds up about them and many took a pup when I bred the terrier they seen working, beyond that I don't actually see there is more I could of done. I have always vehemently defended myself from criticism and they are the same crowd that jump on the bandwagon every time I post, it has become boringly predictable and expected, they are all lads I have shot down in the past with hard facts and pics.

You talk of an agenda, my only agenda has been to let other lads see they are a decent all-round dog that can do anything if time is put into them, they are not a balls out digging dog although I have seen many that have been used that way, if you took off the blinkers you may realise different dogs for different jobs, the Plummer terrier has suffered from 20 yrs of "Brian Plummer" syndrome, he encouraged the clubs (who got behind him) to sell to families of middle class ownership, most non-working huge dogs, the breeders were heavily biased by women and men that have never worked a terrier to ground, however a small element like myself were gifted some foundation stock in the late 70's and continued to work them to ground, Bill Mossman produced a line that were well known for groundwork but became to heavily inbred and were dog aggressive by the lad that took them over Derek Palmer (REMLAP),in the 80's I kept many other types of terrier(Nuttall,Hardie,etc) and the Plummer was still known as a Russell,they only weighed 8-10 lb and were a handy tool to have if you wanted a terrier that could fly around an earth forcing a bolt, the type I keep now is very similar and can be dug to when something decides its staying,most lads hate Plummers because of either him or the knob heads you see trailing them around at shows,I am no different to many of you lads when I see what should of been a decent terrier with no signs of work at a show or gamefair, I have never showed a terrier or sold one to anybody on this site so I am not trying to self promote my line, the difference between me and most terrier men on here is that I have spent many years digging/bolting with all types, I chose to keep only Plummers and improve on what I had around when the the writing was on the wall for taking dogs out that were heavily marked up and the rest is history, these are my terriers of choice, they suit me and they do not get a second look when out and being good on the eye they are popular, I try to put every surplus pup in a working home and I see no wrong in it, I will put a thread up later tonight when the idiots are all "glued up" or high on weed to save anymore on this thread then you can sling the mud directly at me, LOL's,WM

I am not knocking the breed or what they can and can't do but why if you dislike Plummer did you help promote his life's work and cement his legacy built on lies and tall tales and glorify the man when there was other breeds you could of helped promote that were good all rounders without been over hard and show too many signs of work and draw attention when out for a walk in public with them. I'm not knocking you or the dogs I'm sure they work exactly as you want them but why help Plummer (the man)out?

I will cover that in my thread ,WM

ok fairplay