DONT leave your guns or ammo in your car i left a few rounds in my Truck had my Truck broken into and bullets went, today the Police have taken all my guns it dosen't pay to be honest
Unfortunately you don't have a leg top stand on because the law states that when your guns/ammo are not in use they MUST be secured in your cabinet. I really do appreciate that you had just left a few rounds in the car, but that's all they need to screw you.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I honestly wouldn't have said anything about the stolen ammo if it had been me. The trouble is you were honest with them and as the saying goes "No good deed goes unpunished".
I really do hope your shooting organisation can get your guns back for you though, as it does seem very harsh that you should be a victim of both a scum-bag and the police.
In the late 90s I took my car in for a service and when I went to pick it up they had placed my shotgun cartridge belt, with 25 cartridges in it, on the front seat. I had forgotten that I had left it in the boot. As the law is different for shotgun shells it probably wouldn't have made any difference had they called the police. As it was they didn't even mention it, but it just shows how easy it is to slip up.
We are in for a rough time in the future as the powers-that-be look for every way possible to revoke and confiscate.
Really? I was under the impression most gun safety / storage was open to conjecture and differing interpretation and not written in law, just suggestions, as in the home office guide. Also, how can you possibly adhere to this? because the law states that when your guns/ammo are not in use they MUST be secured in your cabinet. If you are transporting a gun for someone to borrow. you're not using it!
The Home Office Guide says:
Transporting Firearms: When firearms are being transported, the certificate holder must take reasonable precautions to make sure that the firearm, ammunition or shotgun is kept safe. If you do not transport firearms and ammunition very often, you should not normally need to have a security device fitted in the vehicle. If your vehicle is left unattended at any time, it is normally safe enough to remove some essential component (where possible) and keep it in your personal possession; for example the bolt from a rifle or the fore-end from a shotgun. Where practicable, firearms and ammunition should be placed where they cannot be seen, eg inside the load carrying area of a locked vehicle. If you frequently transport large quantities of firearms by car and they are often left in circumstances where they may be vulnerable to thieves, you need a higher level of security. You could, for example, keep them in a secured metal container in the boot. A car alarm and immobiliser will provide extra security.
Not even asking for a security device, just to be locked and out of sight. Only asking (you could) keep them in a secured metal container in the boot. A car alarm and immobiliser will provide extra security. If you frequently transport large quantities of firearms by car and they are often left in circumstances where they may be vulnerable to thieves
So, the ammunition was in a locked vehicle, alarmed out of sight, not regularly transporting large quantities of firearms. Where is the offence?
Semantics I'm afraid, because when you are travelling with your guns in the car to or from shooting, OR to sell or lend them, you are in fact using them.
If on the other hand you leave the car overnight with guns or ammo in it.......you are NOT using them, you have simply left them in an insecure place whilst YOU are safe in another.
Could argue all night and not agree, so it's not worth it. I just feel bloody sorry for this man for being screwed for being honest, after all if they found the truck but no ammo who would have known.
Really? The law as I know it say a gun must be secured in a property with adequate locks on all entrance doors. There are recommendations regarding gun cabinets / safes. My fully alarmed 4x4 is easily as secure as my gun safe, no one would hear an angle grinder cutting my safe open.
As the BASC says:
Keep your shotgun secured – for preference in a purpose-built gun cabinet – when not in use. Ensure that no-one else has access to the keys – remember it is your responsibility to ensure that an unauthorised person (which includes anyone who hasn’t got a shotgun certificate) does not have access to your guns. Store your shotgun ammunition separately from your guns. The law does not require you to keep shotgun cartridges secure; however, it is good practice to do so. They are best stored in a cool, dry place where inquisitive children cannot get hold of them.
for preference, not law.
And UK Gun Law www site says:
Firearms storage and safe keeping in the home.
The precise requirements for storage of firearms are not actually specified in law. The legislation merely says that they "must be stored securely at all times so as to prevent, so far as is reasonably practicable, access to the guns by unauthorized persons". In practice, a steel cabinet constructed and certified to comply with BS 7558 and Rawlbolted to a solid wall is the norm. The vast majority of commercially available gun and rifle cabinets meet the necessary standards. If your premises have shared access, for example if you live in a block of flats, the requirements may be more stringent. In all cases the requirement to prevent access to the firearms by "unauthorised persons",means anyone who doesn't personally hold a FAC. This means that even members of your family must not have keys to the cabinet or even know where you keep them.