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I don't disagree with you there.

 

I don't want to make anything compulsory.

 

My original post was inflammatory but It is my opinion.

 

If you stalk deer without access to an adequate deer dog you are an arsehole.

 

I don't mean you necessarily have to own one, several of my mates call me out if they have an issue (I bring my dog.)

 

If you don't know anybody who has a deer dog then there are organisations who will help.

 

Darren, you have a deer dog, that must be because you realise their value, if one of the people who you have mentored phoned you up and asked for help finding a deer I am Sure you would take your dog and do your best.

 

Those people are stalking with access to a deer dog, they aren't arseholes in my opinion, neither are you.

 

If anybody is reading this and stalks deer and doesn't know anybody at all who has a decent deer dog then I would urge them to contact one of the tracking organisations, fins out about the scheme and put the number in their phone - you may never need it, if so, great, but when you do you will be glad you had it.

So applying that logic, are you saying we should all have animal specific dogs? Or are you suggesting that deer are far more important than any other mammal we may hunt/shoot, calling people arseholes because they dont have a dog for deer, is just typical modern day arrogant BDS bullsh*t, sorry mate but get your head out from your arse.

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How is someone going to test what a good deer dog does, this is my point about a lot of things who tests the testers, its no good saying we have some deer blood or a piece of skin and will lay trail, the end result has to be the animal is located, i take my dog to where i last saw it and let him go and sit back and wait for the barking, it can seconds or minutes if he was to come across a bit of skin he wont take any notice, its not a game and he does not want bits of skin.  so is that a bad thing?

 

so really to test my dog you need to wound a deer and he will find it, or will i have to re train him. 

On the subject of testing deer dogs, I don't know. I haven't heard anything about making it compulsory to have a deer dog.

 

As far as I am concerned a deer dog is a dog that is trained to find wounded deer. I have never in my life laid a trail for mine, he stalks at heel with me and is on to deer within 15 mins of shot.

 

What I mean by a deer dog is not your mates dog that has never seen a deer before in its life but "had a good nose" or your wife's spaniel that comes beating now and then.

 

If your dog can trail wounded deer, that is the majority of its work and you can hand on heart say that you can rely on it then you have a deer dog in my opinion.

 

That's why I keep saying that it isn't that hard!

 

The original poster didn't check with any type of dog at all if I remember correctly after a possible miss which he expected to find a dead deer laying in the grass. So I read from that that he thought he hit it until it wasn't lying there.

Just so we are clear the op did check with a dog I did it for him with my gsp I also walked the entire block of cover the following morning with the dog to satisfy my self that all possible effort had been made to locate the animal should it have been wounded

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I don't disagree with you there.

 

I don't want to make anything compulsory.

 

My original post was inflammatory but It is my opinion.

 

If you stalk deer without access to an adequate deer dog you are an arsehole.

 

I don't mean you necessarily have to own one, several of my mates call me out if they have an issue (I bring my dog.)

 

If you don't know anybody who has a deer dog then there are organisations who will help.

 

Darren, you have a deer dog, that must be because you realise their value, if one of the people who you have mentored phoned you up and asked for help finding a deer I am Sure you would take your dog and do your best.

 

Those people are stalking with access to a deer dog, they aren't arseholes in my opinion, neither are you.

 

If anybody is reading this and stalks deer and doesn't know anybody at all who has a decent deer dog then I would urge them to contact one of the tracking organisations, fins out about the scheme and put the number in their phone - you may never need it, if so, great, but when you do you will be glad you had it.

So applying that logic, are you saying we should all have animal specific dogs? Or are you suggesting that deer are far more important than any other mammal we may hunt/shoot, calling people arseholes because they dont have a dog for deer, is just typical modern day arrogant BDS bullsh*t, sorry mate but get your head out from your arse.

Ffs. This is stupid. You don't have to own a dog to have access to one.

 

A deer dog will be better for finding wounded deer.

 

A lurcher will be better for coursing rabbits.

 

A retriever will be better at picking up.

 

Pointers are better at pointing

 

Etc etc etc.

 

We already have different types and breeds of dogs to do different jobs.

 

I am not holding deer on a pedestal above any other animal I KILL DEER, lots of them.

 

I am not saying you have to have a specific breed but a dog that is trained for deer work and has experience of deer work will find deer. In my opinion if you don't have ACCESS to one of these dogs and you are too f***ing pig headed or lazy to phone someone who does when you make a mistake leaving a wounded animal then you are an arsehole.

 

I don't go wildfowling/roughshooting/pigeon shooting without my lab for the same reason.

 

The BDS haven't got anything to do with it. I am not even a BDS member. Never have been.

 

It is piss easy. Everyone can quite easily pick up the phone as I have mentioned before and use the dog tracking scheme. Just because you phone them won't make anything compulsory.

 

I really don't understand what is so hard to grasp.

 

I think I am going round in circles, I don't see the point in me posting on this subject any more because I am obviously just pissing people off and that's not what I joined the site to do.

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sorry to blow another theory meet the wifes spaniel

 

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meet the wifes spaniel working sorry for the moving pic 

 

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Great. Obviously your wife's spaniel doesn't just get the odd day's beating.

 

It is clearly an excellent deer dog with the added bonus of being able to find high seats and blue roll as well.

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Hydro, dont get me wrong here, I totally understand where you are coming from, with regard to deer welfare, and yes having access to a dog trained to follow a deer trail is a good idea, speaking personally, although I suspect others will be thinking along similar lines, it is the arrogance with which you started your intro, that has got peoples backs up, I have heard the same thing from wildfowlers over the years, "oh if you dont have a dog you should not be fowling" boll*cks, it is BETTER to have a dog, but the simple fact of the matter is that some people do not have a dog, or want a dog, or perhaps even on medical grounds like allergy, are unable to keep a dog, are you suggesting these people should be excluded from wildfowling/rough shooting/stalking? Using the example of being able to pick up the phone and call some charitable soul with a trained dog, is all very laudable, and under certain circumstances quite possible I am sure, you may not as you say be a BDS member, but that is irrelevant, your attitude, and the attitude of many of your modern day stalking contemporaries, smacks of BDS arrogance, the type of elitist arrogance that brings in compulsory legislation, making it harder for the ordinary stalker/shooter to enjoy his/her sport, the same kind of idiotic legislation for instance, that enables a man with his .222 to shoot a roe deer in Scotland, but step a foot over the border into England and do the same, and he faces all sorts of dire legal consequences, it looks like we will have to agree to disagree on this point, but all the same enjoy your stalking.

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Hydro, dont get me wrong here, I totally understand where you are coming from, with regard to deer welfare, and yes having access to a dog trained to follow a deer trail is a good idea, speaking personally, although I suspect others will be thinking along similar lines, it is the arrogance with which you started your intro, that has got peoples backs up, I have heard the same thing from wildfowlers over the years, "oh if you dont have a dog you should not be fowling" boll*cks, it is BETTER to have a dog, but the simple fact of the matter is that some people do not have a dog, or want a dog, or perhaps even on medical grounds like allergy, are unable to keep a dog, are you suggesting these people should be excluded from wildfowling/rough shooting/stalking? Using the example of being able to pick up the phone and call some charitable soul with a trained dog, is all very laudable, and under certain circumstances quite possible I am sure, you may not as you say be a BDS member, but that is irrelevant, your attitude, and the attitude of many of your modern day stalking contemporaries, smacks of BDS arrogance, the type of elitist arrogance that brings in compulsory legislation, making it harder for the ordinary stalker/shooter to enjoy his/her sport, the same kind of idiotic legislation for instance, that enables a man with his .222 to shoot a roe deer in Scotland, but step a foot over the border into England and do the same, and he faces all sorts of dire legal consequences, it looks like we will have to agree to disagree on this point, but all the same enjoy your stalking.

Thanks.

 

I wont argue my point any more, I see no point.

 

Enjoy your stalking too.

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How is someone going to test what a good deer dog does, this is my point about a lot of things who tests the testers, its no good saying we have some deer blood or a piece of skin and will lay trail, the end result has to be the animal is located, i take my dog to where i last saw it and let him go and sit back and wait for the barking, it can seconds or minutes if he was to come across a bit of skin he wont take any notice, its not a game and he does not want bits of skin.  so is that a bad thing?

 

so really to test my dog you need to wound a deer and he will find it, or will i have to re train him. 

On the subject of testing deer dogs, I don't know. I haven't heard anything about making it compulsory to have a deer dog.

 

As far as I am concerned a deer dog is a dog that is trained to find wounded deer. I have never in my life laid a trail for mine, he stalks at heel with me and is on to deer within 15 mins of shot.

 

What I mean by a deer dog is not your mates dog that has never seen a deer before in its life but "had a good nose" or your wife's spaniel that comes beating now and then.

 

If your dog can trail wounded deer, that is the majority of its work and you can hand on heart say that you can rely on it then you have a deer dog in my opinion.

 

That's why I keep saying that it isn't that hard!

 

The original poster didn't check with any type of dog at all if I remember correctly after a possible miss which he expected to find a dead deer laying in the grass. So I read from that that he thought he hit it until it wasn't lying there.

Just so we are clear the op did check with a dog I did it for him with my gsp I also walked the entire block of cover the following morning with the dog to satisfy my self that all possible effort had been made to locate the animal should it have been wounded

My mistake. Apologies to you and the original poster.

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Nope, just dont see the need for one at present, the .243 does all I need of it at the moment, but looking forward to trying yours mate, then no doubt I will be hankering after one :thumbs:

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Nope, just dont see the need for one at present, the .243 does all I need of it at the moment, but looking forward to trying yours mate, then no doubt I will be hankering after one :thumbs:

Take alook a the 7 pointer i had last night .

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How is someone going to test what a good deer dog does, this is my point about a lot of things who tests the testers, its no good saying we have some deer blood or a piece of skin and will lay trail, the end result has to be the animal is located, i take my dog to where i last saw it and let him go and sit back and wait for the barking, it can seconds or minutes if he was to come across a bit of skin he wont take any notice, its not a game and he does not want bits of skin.  so is that a bad thing?

 

so really to test my dog you need to wound a deer and he will find it, or will i have to re train him. 

On the subject of testing deer dogs, I don't know. I haven't heard anything about making it compulsory to have a deer dog.

 

As far as I am concerned a deer dog is a dog that is trained to find wounded deer. I have never in my life laid a trail for mine, he stalks at heel with me and is on to deer within 15 mins of shot.

 

What I mean by a deer dog is not your mates dog that has never seen a deer before in its life but "had a good nose" or your wife's spaniel that comes beating now and then.

 

If your dog can trail wounded deer, that is the majority of its work and you can hand on heart say that you can rely on it then you have a deer dog in my opinion.

 

That's why I keep saying that it isn't that hard!

 

The original poster didn't check with any type of dog at all if I remember correctly after a possible miss which he expected to find a dead deer laying in the grass. So I read from that that he thought he hit it until it wasn't lying there.

Just so we are clear the op did check with a dog I did it for him with my gsp I also walked the entire block of cover the following morning with the dog to satisfy my self that all possible effort had been made to locate the animal should it have been wounded
My mistake. Apologies to you and the original poster.

No apology needed just making sure the facts are known And that he did have access to a deer dog

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Nope, just dont see the need for one at present, the .243 does all I need of it at the moment, but looking forward to trying yours mate, then no doubt I will be hankering after one :thumbs:

Don't see the need pahhhhh every one NEEDS a 25 lol

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Nope, just dont see the need for one at present, the .243 does all I need of it at the moment, but looking forward to trying yours mate, then no doubt I will be hankering after one :thumbs:

243 all the way - until you look at 308 :)

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Nope, just dont see the need for one at present, the .243 does all I need of it at the moment, but looking forward to trying yours mate, then no doubt I will be hankering after one :thumbs:

243 all the way - until you look at 308 :)

 

i use both and guess what ! a deer doesnt know the difference.

both calibres will kill outright, providing the bullet hits the right spot.

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