neems 2,406 Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 i've heard people say dogs don't need carbs because they don't find them in the wild. but surely the deer or even rabbit they catch has a belly full of partly digested carbs,im sure they don't discard that part. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,385 Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 i've heard people say dogs don't need carbs because they don't find them in the wild. but surely the deer or even rabbit they catch has a belly full of partly digested carbs,im sure they don't discard that part. That's what I've always thought, you also have to factor in the 30,000 years they've spent living off human scraps. The ones that could process the carbs we left for them better would of been fitter and stronger and so passed their genes on, I reckon the domesticated dog is more than capable of processing carbs. People forget how far removed from wolves our dogs are. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saluki246 1,053 Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 i've heard people say dogs don't need carbs because they don't find them in the wild. but surely the deer or even rabbit they catch has a belly full of partly digested carbs,im sure they don't discard that part. i've heard people say dogs don't need carbs because they don't find them in the wild. but surely the deer or even rabbit they catch has a belly full of partly digested carbs,im sure they don't discard that part. That's what I've always thought, you also have to factor in the 30,000 years they've spent living off human scraps. The ones that could process the carbs we left for them better would of been fitter and stronger and so passed their genes on, I reckon the domesticated dog is more than capable of processing carbs. People forget how far removed from wolves our dogs are. 2 good points their and very true i think. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOKEL 2,121 Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) As interesting as it is to read about canine nutrition, and what a bunch of scientists think is best for working dogs on a whole, nothing will compare to ACTUALLY working with and watching what is best for YOUR own dog/dogs. If they thrive on a few carbs, then feed them, regardless of what science thinks to be right. Living, breathing animals i've found have individual needs, you can use these various studies as a guide, but they may need tweaking to suit your charge...j,m,o... Yokel. P.S. I always found good bloody beef, greens and brown rice worked with my lot... Edited April 12, 2015 by YOKEL 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 how many of the scientists actually work dogs in the real world ,the best experience you can get is hands on. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lee 99 Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 2 good post on dog nutrition not some copy and paste bollocks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,261 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) 2 good post on dog nutrition not some copy and paste bollocks Feck me your right we don't want no science getting in the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/34095/title/Dogs-Adapted-to-Agriculture/ Edited April 13, 2015 by sandymere Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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sandymere 8,261 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 how many of the scientists actually work dogs in the real world ,the best experience you can get is hands on. Oh yes these know it all scientists lol, just take that one I quoted!!!!! anyone would think he was a top working dog man as well as vet and professor etc etc my my one would expect he had more hands on experience that most on here, mind he's a scientist so must be wrong.... ARLEIGH REYNOLDS, DVM, PhD, DACVN Arleigh Reynolds is a veterinarian and world-renowned canine exercise physiologist and nutritionist who describes Alaskan sled dogs as the world’s greatest athletes. Reynolds, who has worked as a veterinarian at the Iditarod, the Open North American Championship, and the International Federation of Sled Dog Sports World Championship. A senior scientist for Nestle Purina, he has studied the subject for more than 20 years at Cornell University, in his Salcha, Alaska laboratory, and on the Alaskan sled dog trails. A worldwide lecturer, Reynolds is the author of numerous articles on sled dog nutrition and performance. He is a diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition and former assistant professor of clinical nutrition at the College of Veterinary Medicine of Cornell University. He earned his bachelor’s degree in biology, doctorate in veterinary medicine, and Ph.D. in exercise physiology and nutrition at Cornell. Reynolds is also a competitive sled dog racer (musher), who won third place in the 2009 Open World Championship Fur Rendezvous Race, which is often described as the steeple chase of dog mushing because of the combination of speed and endurance required of the special breed of dogs that participate. He is also the 2009 and 2008 winner of the Yukon River Open Championship and placed second in the 2009 Canadian Open Championship and third in the 2009 and 2007 Open North American Championship. http://pennvetwdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ReynoldsA_Bio21.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) how many of the scientists actually work dogs in the real world ,the best experience you can get is hands on. Oh yes these know it all scientists lol, just take that one I quoted!!!!! anyone would think he was a top working dog man as well as vet and professor etc etc my my one would expect he had more hands on experience that most on here, mind he's a scientist so must be wrong.... ARLEIGH REYNOLDS, DVM, PhD, DACVN Arleigh Reynolds is a veterinarian and world-renowned canine exercise physiologist and nutritionist who describes Alaskan sled dogs as the world’s greatest athletes. Reynolds, who has worked as a veterinarian at the Iditarod, the Open North American Championship, and the International Federation of Sled Dog Sports World Championship. A senior scientist for Nestle Purina, he has studied the subject for more than 20 years at Cornell University, in his Salcha, Alaska laboratory, and on the Alaskan sled dog trails. A worldwide lecturer, Reynolds is the author of numerous articles on sled dog nutrition and performance. He is a diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition and former assistant professor of clinical nutrition at the College of Veterinary Medicine of Cornell University. He earned his bachelor’s degree in biology, doctorate in veterinary medicine, and Ph.D. in exercise physiology and nutrition at Cornell. Reynolds is also a competitive sled dog racer (musher), who won third place in the 2009 Open World Championship Fur Rendezvous Race, which is often described as the steeple chase of dog mushing because of the combination of speed and endurance required of the special breed of dogs that participate. He is also the 2009 and 2008 winner of the Yukon River Open Championship and placed second in the 2009 Canadian Open Championship and third in the 2009 and 2007 Open North American Championship. http://pennvetwdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ReynoldsA_Bio21.pdf Vet LOL and a professor in my experience thay are about as usefull as each other Edited April 13, 2015 by desertbred Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,261 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 how many of the scientists actually work dogs in the real world ,the best experience you can get is hands on. Oh yes these know it all scientists lol, just take that one I quoted!!!!! anyone would think he was a top working dog man as well as vet and professor etc etc my my one would expect he had more hands on experience that most on here, mind he's a scientist so must be wrong.... ARLEIGH REYNOLDS, DVM, PhD, DACVN Arleigh Reynolds is a veterinarian and world-renowned canine exercise physiologist and nutritionist who describes Alaskan sled dogs as the world’s greatest athletes. Reynolds, who has worked as a veterinarian at the Iditarod, the Open North American Championship, and the International Federation of Sled Dog Sports World Championship. A senior scientist for Nestle Purina, he has studied the subject for more than 20 years at Cornell University, in his Salcha, Alaska laboratory, and on the Alaskan sled dog trails. A worldwide lecturer, Reynolds is the author of numerous articles on sled dog nutrition and performance. He is a diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition and former assistant professor of clinical nutrition at the College of Veterinary Medicine of Cornell University. He earned his bachelor’s degree in biology, doctorate in veterinary medicine, and Ph.D. in exercise physiology and nutrition at Cornell. Reynolds is also a competitive sled dog racer (musher), who won third place in the 2009 Open World Championship Fur Rendezvous Race, which is often described as the steeple chase of dog mushing because of the combination of speed and endurance required of the special breed of dogs that participate. He is also the 2009 and 2008 winner of the Yukon River Open Championship and placed second in the 2009 Canadian Open Championship and third in the 2009 and 2007 Open North American Championship. http://pennvetwdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ReynoldsA_Bio21.pdf Vet LOL and a professor in my experience thay are about as usefull as each other LOL I take it you didnt read the rest "Reynolds is also a competitive sled dog racer (musher), who won third place in the 2009 Open World Championship Fur Rendezvous Race, which is often described as the steeple chase of dog mushing because of the combination of speed and endurance required of the special breed of dogs that participate. He is also the 2009 and 2008 winner of the Yukon River Open Championship and placed second in the 2009 Canadian Open Championship and third in the 2009 and 2007 Open North American Championship." what can he know eh............................ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 how many of the scientists actually work dogs in the real world ,the best experience you can get is hands on. Oh yes these know it all scientists lol, just take that one I quoted!!!!! anyone would think he was a top working dog man as well as vet and professor etc etc my my one would expect he had more hands on experience that most on here, mind he's a scientist so must be wrong.... ARLEIGH REYNOLDS, DVM, PhD, DACVN Arleigh Reynolds is a veterinarian and world-renowned canine exercise physiologist and nutritionist who describes Alaskan sled dogs as the world’s greatest athletes. Reynolds, who has worked as a veterinarian at the Iditarod, the Open North American Championship, and the International Federation of Sled Dog Sports World Championship. A senior scientist for Nestle Purina, he has studied the subject for more than 20 years at Cornell University, in his Salcha, Alaska laboratory, and on the Alaskan sled dog trails. A worldwide lecturer, Reynolds is the author of numerous articles on sled dog nutrition and performance. He is a diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition and former assistant professor of clinical nutrition at the College of Veterinary Medicine of Cornell University. He earned his bachelor’s degree in biology, doctorate in veterinary medicine, and Ph.D. in exercise physiology and nutrition at Cornell. Reynolds is also a competitive sled dog racer (musher), who won third place in the 2009 Open World Championship Fur Rendezvous Race, which is often described as the steeple chase of dog mushing because of the combination of speed and endurance required of the special breed of dogs that participate. He is also the 2009 and 2008 winner of the Yukon River Open Championship and placed second in the 2009 Canadian Open Championship and third in the 2009 and 2007 Open North American Championship. http://pennvetwdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ReynoldsA_Bio21.pdf Vet LOL and a professor in my experience thay are about as usefull as each other LOL I take it you didnt read the rest "Reynolds is also a competitive sled dog racer (musher), who won third place in the 2009 Open World Championship Fur Rendezvous Race, which is often described as the steeple chase of dog mushing because of the combination of speed and endurance required of the special breed of dogs that participate. He is also the 2009 and 2008 winner of the Yukon River Open Championship and placed second in the 2009 Canadian Open Championship and third in the 2009 and 2007 Open North American Championship." what can he know eh............................ your talking different dogs not hunters and runners dont need to read any more do i Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOKEL 2,121 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 to me it's like this, if you can see physical benefits from feeding carbs in you own dog, that you work with day in day out, why would you stop feeding because someone says they don't need it??? Yokel 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,261 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 how many of the scientists actually work dogs in the real world ,the best experience you can get is hands on. Oh yes these know it all scientists lol, just take that one I quoted!!!!! anyone would think he was a top working dog man as well as vet and professor etc etc my my one would expect he had more hands on experience that most on here, mind he's a scientist so must be wrong.... ARLEIGH REYNOLDS, DVM, PhD, DACVN Arleigh Reynolds is a veterinarian and world-renowned canine exercise physiologist and nutritionist who describes Alaskan sled dogs as the world’s greatest athletes. Reynolds, who has worked as a veterinarian at the Iditarod, the Open North American Championship, and the International Federation of Sled Dog Sports World Championship. A senior scientist for Nestle Purina, he has studied the subject for more than 20 years at Cornell University, in his Salcha, Alaska laboratory, and on the Alaskan sled dog trails. A worldwide lecturer, Reynolds is the author of numerous articles on sled dog nutrition and performance. He is a diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition and former assistant professor of clinical nutrition at the College of Veterinary Medicine of Cornell University. He earned his bachelor’s degree in biology, doctorate in veterinary medicine, and Ph.D. in exercise physiology and nutrition at Cornell. Reynolds is also a competitive sled dog racer (musher), who won third place in the 2009 Open World Championship Fur Rendezvous Race, which is often described as the steeple chase of dog mushing because of the combination of speed and endurance required of the special breed of dogs that participate. He is also the 2009 and 2008 winner of the Yukon River Open Championship and placed second in the 2009 Canadian Open Championship and third in the 2009 and 2007 Open North American Championship. http://pennvetwdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ReynoldsA_Bio21.pdf Vet LOL and a professor in my experience thay are about as usefull as each other LOL I take it you didnt read the rest "Reynolds is also a competitive sled dog racer (musher), who won third place in the 2009 Open World Championship Fur Rendezvous Race, which is often described as the steeple chase of dog mushing because of the combination of speed and endurance required of the special breed of dogs that participate. He is also the 2009 and 2008 winner of the Yukon River Open Championship and placed second in the 2009 Canadian Open Championship and third in the 2009 and 2007 Open North American Championship." what can he know eh............................ your talking different dogs not hunters and runners dont need to read any more do i your right learning is not for everyone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,385 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 how many of the scientists actually work dogs in the real world ,the best experience you can get is hands on. Oh yes these know it all scientists lol, just take that one I quoted!!!!! anyone would think he was a top working dog man as well as vet and professor etc etc my my one would expect he had more hands on experience that most on here, mind he's a scientist so must be wrong.... ARLEIGH REYNOLDS, DVM, PhD, DACVN Arleigh Reynolds is a veterinarian and world-renowned canine exercise physiologist and nutritionist who describes Alaskan sled dogs as the world’s greatest athletes. Reynolds, who has worked as a veterinarian at the Iditarod, the Open North American Championship, and the International Federation of Sled Dog Sports World Championship. A senior scientist for Nestle Purina, he has studied the subject for more than 20 years at Cornell University, in his Salcha, Alaska laboratory, and on the Alaskan sled dog trails. A worldwide lecturer, Reynolds is the author of numerous articles on sled dog nutrition and performance. He is a diplomate of the American College of Veterinary Nutrition and former assistant professor of clinical nutrition at the College of Veterinary Medicine of Cornell University. He earned his bachelor’s degree in biology, doctorate in veterinary medicine, and Ph.D. in exercise physiology and nutrition at Cornell. Reynolds is also a competitive sled dog racer (musher), who won third place in the 2009 Open World Championship Fur Rendezvous Race, which is often described as the steeple chase of dog mushing because of the combination of speed and endurance required of the special breed of dogs that participate. He is also the 2009 and 2008 winner of the Yukon River Open Championship and placed second in the 2009 Canadian Open Championship and third in the 2009 and 2007 Open North American Championship. http://pennvetwdc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/ReynoldsA_Bio21.pdf Vet LOL and a professor in my experience thay are about as usefull as each other LOL I take it you didnt read the rest "Reynolds is also a competitive sled dog racer (musher), who won third place in the 2009 Open World Championship Fur Rendezvous Race, which is often described as the steeple chase of dog mushing because of the combination of speed and endurance required of the special breed of dogs that participate. He is also the 2009 and 2008 winner of the Yukon River Open Championship and placed second in the 2009 Canadian Open Championship and third in the 2009 and 2007 Open North American Championship." what can he know eh............................ your talking different dogs not hunters and runners dont need to read any more do i A lot of those crossbred racing sled dogs actually have a high percentage of running dog blood, look like well built collie x lurchers. to me it's like this, if you can see physical benefits from feeding carbs in you own dog, that you work with day in day out, why would you stop feeding because someone says they don't need it??? Yokel Spot on, you need to know your dogs and do what works best for them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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