Blood

[Glyn..... 5,199]

old time pit-dog old time borders, =patterdale/fells late 70s ... this is what i think was main blood in the mix .... should make for some interesting reading .......merry xmass everyone

 

Edited June 18, 2018 by Glyn.....

[General lee 979]

Did I miss a previous post in the mix of what I'm interested now

[General lee 979]

Just re read it i think I get it now your saying pit type dogs and borders made up the fell dogs am I right

[GROCKLE 55]

Early 90's Seen some nuttalls straight from the man himself and they looked very "Bordery" .

[foxdropper 17,092]

It only took one smooth coat progeny that was good and was bred from /to, more than the rest and a Pat type was born . Black being the most dominant colour gene I believe ,gotten from black pits of the era .The border jacket would have been around for decades until fashion kicked in .Interesting Glyn as I looked at a litter of border x pits today with a mate .All black ,border headed with the tight coat .If those old boys hadn't of messed about with the border then its history may of been a whole lot different .

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Early 90's Seen some nuttalls straight from the man himself and they looked very "Bordery" .

I ran a lot of young dogs on for Brian around that time and never seen anything bordery in any of them,a lot of lads breed black fells and patts quoting them as being bred from him but most have never come from him, his stuff at that time was very typey and the right size for work, like most breeders he ran 2lines and depending who you were or knew depended on what pup he sold you, I have seen a few of his smaller stuff lately and they look like black pugs,in all the time we ran pups on we never had a jibber,some were a little too hard for a long life but looked very similar, WM

[crazydave 185]

The borders on that picture are world's apart to what we have now

[GROCKLE 55]

 

Early 90's Seen some nuttalls straight from the man himself and they looked very "Bordery" .

I ran a lot of young dogs on for Brian around that time and never seen anything bordery in any of them,a lot of lads breed black fells and patts quoting them as being bred from him but most have never come from him, his stuff at that time was very typey and the right size for work, like most breeders he ran 2lines and depending who you were or knew depended on what pup he sold you, I have seen a few of his smaller stuff lately and they look like black pugs,in all the time we ran pups on we never had a jibber,some were a little too hard for a long life but looked very similar, WM

 

Ok mate i never.

[neil cooney 10,415]

We'd better not confuse the issue by mentioning that some folk believe that the black colour comes from Scottish terrier blood, the Chocolates come from a Springer spaniel accidental mating, the white chests, feet and toes comes from a Sealyham outcross and that a very influential sire in the last few years had JRT blood in it from the great line of Mr Duggans.

OH, and then the fact that a lot of black terriers here in Ireland in the last 15 years or so had Sam in them, who was out of a pure border called Dandy. When a son of Sams was sent to stud in the states (for $2000) the seller forgot to tell his mate (the buyer ????) that he was buying a crossbred.

When that became known it changed half the pedigrees in the states. Pity that, with them after registering the Patterdale and all that.

And don't mention the Welsh blood and the White lakelands that some of the legends in the game have bred to better the breed in the last 30 years or so.

[cantona 310]

Miner and sherry had border in them

[pablo esc 1,598]

I was told something about that Neil, that a man bought a good working, maybe black dog, of a gd, and was sold, maybe by the wrn un bth

[pablo esc 1,598]

I was told something about that Neil, that a man bought a good working, maybe black dog, of a gd, and was sold, maybe by the wrn un bth

and it was a border cross, patt

[pablo esc 1,598]

Not every one's cup of tea, but what would i do to have a black dog, the same as that. And them borders must have been good in them days or the wouldn't have been kept, bothered with, hunted and dug to, atb, Glyn on putting old picture up,

[foxdropper 17,092]

Early 90's Seen some nuttalls straight from the man himself and they looked very "Bordery" .

His early stuff I saw were miniature pits but slate grey . I saw some pics of rough coated stuff that he'd bred too earlier but it was the smooth black bully head that was his type .Wheeler took some of this and added more bull and it has to be said ,neglecting work he went this route

[pablo esc 1,598]

 

Early 90's Seen some nuttalls straight from the man himself and they looked very "Bordery" .

His early stuff I saw were miniature pits but slate grey . I saw some pics of rough coated stuff that he'd bred too earlier but it was the smooth black bully head that was his type .Wheeler took some of this and added more bull and it has to be said ,neglecting work he went this route

he got dog's of him and added a quarter staff