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#136 let'sshoot

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Posted 16 August 2014 - 08:51 pm

Yes it's BDC

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 10:29 am

Yeah i truly hope it does indeed sort your zeroing out let's shoot.

What's your twist rate on your cz and what grain rounds are you using as well?

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Posted 17 August 2014 - 11:20 am

http://spoton.nikons...on.html#Index:4      

 

  Well when you have it sorted, have a look on here, put in your scope details, and ammunition, either factory or home loads, this will give you your aiming points on the bdc reticule, it is very good, so far with my .243 it is just about spot on, keep us posted on how things are progressing :thumbs:



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Posted 20 August 2014 - 10:48 am

It's arrived!! Lovely looking piece of kit.

I've installed it, looks the business.

But when I look through the glass at the bank that surrounds the house (considering its now on the table in the utility - looking through the window at the grassy bank).

When I move my head up/down/left/right the point of impact changes by a few inches. The grass bank is only about 5/6meters away looking through a window.

If it's all down to me, then no matter if I have a £3k scope the groups will always be all over the place.

Haven't had a chance to get to the field yet. I have just put it on and set the distance from my eye.

With it being a new scope, will the crosshair setting be set close to the center?

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Edited by let'sshoot, 20 August 2014 - 10:55 am.


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 01:07 pm

Have you adjusted the parallax mate, 6 yards is not very far to be honest, get it out and try it, start with a big target, to give you an idea of where your shots are going, I would boresight it first to get you roughly on target, good luck hope it sorts it for you :thumbs:



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Posted 20 August 2014 - 01:30 pm

Don't be disheartened yet as you've yet to test it out but it is essential you have other ammunition and if you have heavier ammo and lighter ammo its a good idea to see which stabilises in your rifle more suitably as that prefurred type is what you want to stick with.

Apparently the cz527 if this is the model I recall you stated, in .223 has a 1:9 twist which would be more suitable firing heavier rounds.

Forget the homeloads you had at the moment and pick up some heavier grains ...if you can as I know unless your reloading they can be abit of a bugger to come by as my mate tells me.

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 01:53 pm

Parallax by the eyepiece you mean

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 02:35 pm

Does it not have sidewheel px adjustment if its a monarch 3, it should have, or have I missunderstood and you got a different model?


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Posted 20 August 2014 - 03:26 pm

No, only two side adjustments, top and right for crosshairs.

Was told it's a Monarch 3, although scope says just Monarch on the sides.

Am not impressed, will put pics up when I get home.

Still no impressive group, the Remington factory load is spraying all over the place. Fine, it may not like them.

Used the fmj homeloads, as these are the only two variants I have to try, grouped better with old scope.

As I said, will post pics when I can.

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 04:05 pm

really interesting thread, my 243 is still not right and today i've stripped it, cleaned it absolutely thoroughly and re-assembled exactly as per the manufacturers tensions etc

bore sighted and just waiting to get the pony in to a safer area in case he goes divvy when the shot rings out.



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Posted 20 August 2014 - 04:29 pm

Here are the pics I promised. I'm gutted, pi55ed off and fed up. I have thrown £300 at it and it's still no better. I know some of you will laugh in the face of £300 but I have said from the start that I am not prepared to spend loads of money on it.

 

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It may well be that I am not suited to this rifle shooting malarky. seriously considering selling the .223 and everything I have to go with it.

 

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 05:10 pm

If it has got to that point mate is there a shooting range/ club near you you can go to or a shop where you can take it to see if it(the rifle) is damaged of sorts.

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Posted 20 August 2014 - 06:10 pm

Mate that group with the home loads is not too shabby, its well within an inch prob 3/4 by the looks of it, get some Hornady or federal factory ammo, I bet you will be pleasantly surprised, 1234 are not bad at all, 5 is probably you pulling the shot, its nearly there ffs, dont get disheartened now, it does not like the Remingtons, that is plain to see, get some better ammo, and lay on the floor with a rest under the rear, I bet it groups well, it is not the rifle dude, it is a combination of ammo and you I would say, dont give up you are very nearly there, a couple of clicks left will see you grouping in the bull, also get your mate to shoot a group with it, to see how they differ, but deffo get some more ammo :thumbs:



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Posted 20 August 2014 - 07:25 pm

No, only two side adjustments, top and right for crosshairs.

Was told it's a Monarch 3, although scope says just Monarch on the sides.

 

 

This is what it should look like:

 

http://www.uttings.c...WQ#.U_T06WMfKnE

 

http://www.nikonspor...-Matte-BDC.html

 

If it doesn't then I'd complain and say you want your money back using your correspondence or order print out as evidence of the fact that it was advertised as a Monarch 3.

 

They can't legally refuse as it doesn't match it's description. (Sale of Goods Act 1979 as Amended). If you have any issues, contact Trading Standards in your area.



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Posted 20 August 2014 - 08:54 pm

It hasn't got the number "3" below the word "Monarch" and the word "Monarch" is as I type it here, not in capitals as the pictures you show me.

It came from 'Optics Warehouse' but at a knockdown price, so I don't know if it's genuine or fake.


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