Alcatraz 16 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Mate it looks like there wont be enough natural sunlight in moult which can lead to health problems and pinched feathers.when your harris does go into moult and becomes fat he or she will not like you going in cleaning the floor and filling a bath in moult u leave them to get on with it with out stress or the new feathers will have stress marks. If I was going use that space a would open the front up by the window as big as possible and open half the roof in the garage keep them walls the same but I would make them walls solid with door system. your hawk then can see all garden and also get the elements pea gravel floor with drainage put bath under section of open part of roof so it will collect rain water... 1 Quote Link to post
youcanthide...BANG 1,051 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Mate it looks like there wont be enough natural sunlight in moult which can lead to health problems and pinched feathers.when your harris does go into moult and becomes fat he or she will not like you going in cleaning the floor and filling a bath in moult u leave them to get on with it with out stress or the new feathers will have stress marks. If I was going use that space a would open the front up by the window as big as possible and open half the roof in the garage keep them walls the same but I would make them walls solid with door system. your hawk then can see all garden and also get the elements pea gravel floor with drainage put bath under section of open part of roof so it will collect rain water... Agreed but he did say when in the moult he would attatch an outside open meshed roof accessible by the window so that would give the bird the choice of staying outside to weather or keep dry inside the garage part, providing this happens and with the slight changes you and i suggested i dont think its too bad of an idea, then he can just do what i do to clean the bird, wait till he is in his weathering part then close of the window clean inside then do the opposite for the outside Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 You can't hide - cheers I will see what I can sort about the bars and will put the ferrets in view. Crowhawker - it's not really a day to day garage mate. It's currently upside down due to recent house move. If the bird goes in there then it will be just for my bird, ferrets, freezer and hunting gear. Alcatraz - I can see what you are saying but I don't plan to leave the bird locked in the garage untouched for 6 months while she moults. I've spoke to loads of lads who say that they still bow their birds out when in moult and have no problems except them being a bit grumpy and that fret marks only become an issue when the bird gets so stressed that it secretes adrenalin - which surely a well handled bird shouldn't just by moving it from one perch to another? Maybe I'm wrong. I've also spoken to alot of people that tether year round in a closed roof enclosure so these people must bow the bird out during moult aswell? If this is an issue then I can always build an open roof extension onto the side. But again the bird would need to be free lofted for this. Taking the roof off the garage isn't an option. Cheers Gaz Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Mate it looks like there wont be enough natural sunlight in moult which can lead to health problems and pinched feathers.when your harris does go into moult and becomes fat he or she will not like you going in cleaning the floor and filling a bath in moult u leave them to get on with it with out stress or the new feathers will have stress marks. If I was going use that space a would open the front up by the window as big as possible and open half the roof in the garage keep them walls the same but I would make them walls solid with door system. your hawk then can see all garden and also get the elements pea gravel floor with drainage put bath under section of open part of roof so it will collect rain water... Agreed but he did say when in the moult he would attatch an outside open meshed roof accessible by the window so that would give the bird the choice of staying outside to weather or keep dry inside the garage part, providing this happens and with the slight changes you and i suggested i dont think its too bad of an idea, then he can just do what i do to clean the bird, wait till he is in his weathering part then close of the window clean inside then do the opposite for the outside Hadn't seen this post when I replied before. As you say, IF I decided to freeloft then I would build an open top aviary onto the side. But for the short term I plan to tether and weather outside as often as possible. This "not going near birds in moult" thing seems to very from falconer to falconer. Some lads leave secluded and untouched, other lads handle daily and others do everything inbetween. Quote Link to post
youcanthide...BANG 1,051 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Mate wait till you see the difference between a well handled bird during the season and one at fat weight, if it is anything like mine youd better have your tools ready for that outside weathering, mine changed from a very good tempered bird to an absolute nightmare. Quote Link to post
youcanthide...BANG 1,051 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Im inbetween, no contact with the bird but his aviary is fully open year round, not had a problem he has been very well mannered and ive not heard a murmor from him in months Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Mate wait till you see the difference between a well handled bird during the season and one at fat weight, if it is anything like mine youd better have your tools ready for that outside weathering, mine changed from a very good tempered bird to an absolute nightmare. The female Harris I was handling at the weekend was at fat weight and mid-moult. She wasn't in the best of moods but certainly no demon. Maybe she is the exception as opposed to the norm though. Quote Link to post
youcanthide...BANG 1,051 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 (edited) Maybe, all birds are different so its impossible to predict what will happen, what does your mentor do during the moult? Did you watch that other dvd Edited July 23, 2013 by youcanthide...BANG Quote Link to post
budharley 945 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I can see the bugs bit gaz good on you for doing it the right way mate Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Maybe, all birds are different so its impossible to predict what will happen, what does your mentor do during the moult? Did you watch that other dvd I think it depends on the bird as to what he does. That female is tethered at the moment and he still weathers her in the garden but I think he will be free lofting her soon. I guess I need to keep my options open and just see what sort of temperament my bird has got. Haven't watched the second DVD mate yet, will watch it this week at some point though. Loved the first one. Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I can see the bugs bit gaz good on you for doing it the right way mate Haha yes well and truly mate. Cheers. 1 Quote Link to post
youcanthide...BANG 1,051 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Maybe, all birds are different so its impossible to predict what will happen, what does your mentor do during the moult? Did you watch that other dvd I think it depends on the bird as to what he does. That female is tethered at the moment and he still weathers her in the garden but I think he will be free lofting her soon. I guess I need to keep my options open and just see what sort of temperament my bird has got. Haven't watched the second DVD mate yet, will watch it this week at some point though. Loved the first one. Youve got a year to decide what your gonna do, plans change, you might end up with a golden eagle yet Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted July 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 Maybe, all birds are different so its impossible to predict what will happen, what does your mentor do during the moult? Did you watch that other dvd I think it depends on the bird as to what he does. That female is tethered at the moment and he still weathers her in the garden but I think he will be free lofting her soon. I guess I need to keep my options open and just see what sort of temperament my bird has got. Haven't watched the second DVD mate yet, will watch it this week at some point though. Loved the first one. Youve got a year to decide what your gonna do, plans change, you might end up with a golden eagle yet Yeh maybe in 10 years! Lol 1 Quote Link to post
Bluebell h 69 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 I free loft all the time she's handled most days flys at 2.2 at the moment she's 2.7 I weighed her today . She's never ad a bath in to years so she gets hosepiped most days my flight is 10x6x7 .shes about half moulted at the moment .atb Quote Link to post
budharley 945 Posted July 23, 2013 Report Share Posted July 23, 2013 These are what I like gaz stunning birds, I've got a few trips planned this season hope to see some good fl ights http://$%^&*&^%$£$%^&*(/showthread.php?t=109166 Quote Link to post
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