Why A First Cross?...rather Than Worker X Worker?

[jamesmc 582]

never had a first cross of any sort.....always worker to worker

just wondering what a first cross offers that a worker to worker does not?

and why so many people want them or breed them?

[Wild-Bill 500]

How do you no some first crosses arent worker x worker?? Just coz there both pures doesn't mean they don't work

[bird 9,587]

never had a first cross of any sort.....always worker to worker

just wondering what a first cross offers that a worker to worker does not?

and why so many people want them or breed them?

 

well with any lurcher you start with a 1x, to get any lurcher line. There some very good lurcher x lurcher bred out there . Ive had 1xs as they are very good rabbits dogs, with great nose, good feet+coat,and not bad stamina,for day+ night work. Isuppose with lurcherx lurcher bred you get faster type dog with more running dog in the mix, and with saluki in there prob better stamina. But the x i have now 1 x gsd x grey, a renown for very good stamina,that will run all night long, and plenty of guts for any quarry that you (may) bump into as well as rabbits pre ban, and not bad pace for big dogs.My other 1x colliex grey is great rabbit dog day+ night, and very fast for a 1x, never had any injurys as such in nearly 6 years, and ive worked him hard every where ive took him to. But as said there some very good lurcherx lurchers out there,that are from provern parents,and to honest if i hadnt had Buck my 1x gsdx grey pup, i would have had a pup from another lad, that parents take any quarry, you never no i might have dropped a bollocx time will tell

[jamesmc 582]

How do you no some first crosses arent worker x worker?? Just coz there both pures doesn't mean they don't work

right enough pal.....but the point i am tryng to get across is why not just breed a working lurcher to another working lurcher....then you will have a far better idea of what the pups will be like in the feild.....i think that most of the first cross litter would be wastage....and only a few will do the task intended....maybe not?....i don't know as i have never done this......and thats what i am tring to find out.

[AirgunGuy 362]

Do you not think its more about what you put into a dog??? Just a thought with my ltd experience

[jamesmc 582]

 

never had a first cross of any sort.....always worker to worker

just wondering what a first cross offers that a worker to worker does not?

and why so many people want them or breed them?

 

well with any lurcher you start with a 1x, to get any lurcher line. There some very good lurcher x lurcher bred out there . Ive had 1xs as they are very good rabbits dogs, with great nose, good feet+coat,and not bad stamina,for day+ night work. Isuppose with lurcherx lurcher bred you get faster type dog with more running dog in the mix, and with saluki in there prob better stamina. But the x i have now 1 x gsd x grey, a renown for very good stamina,that will run all night long, and plenty of guts for any quarry that you (may) bump into as well as rabbits pre ban, and not bad pace for big dogs.My other 1x colliex grey is great rabbit dog day+ night, and very fast for a 1x, never had any injurys as such in nearly 6 years, and ive worked him hard every where ive took him to. But as said there some very good lurcherx lurchers out there,that are from provern parents,and to honest if i hadnt had Buck my 1x gsdx grey pup, i would have had a pup from another lad, that parents take any quarry, you never no i might have dropped a bollocx time will tell

i know what you mean bird....the likes of yourself that want a dog that is not too common...gsd x grey i can understand why you would have a 1st x,makes perfect sense ....but does the first cross litter have less of a success rate,with only some pups making the grade?,as with working lurcher x working lurcher....which surley would have a better success rate?

[Paid 935]

hybrid vigour.

[jamesmc 582]

Do you not think its more about what you put into a dog??? Just a thought with my ltd experience

aye definetly pal....but you have a much better chance of the dog making the grade with a long line of proven working lurcher x working lurcher surely.... i am thinking more of the wastage of the over all litter

[paulus 26]

 

 

never had a first cross of any sort.....always worker to worker

just wondering what a first cross offers that a worker to worker does not?

and why so many people want them or breed them?

 

well with any lurcher you start with a 1x, to get any lurcher line. There some very good lurcher x lurcher bred out there . Ive had 1xs as they are very good rabbits dogs, with great nose, good feet+coat,and not bad stamina,for day+ night work. Isuppose with lurcherx lurcher bred you get faster type dog with more running dog in the mix, and with saluki in there prob better stamina. But the x i have now 1 x gsd x grey, a renown for very good stamina,that will run all night long, and plenty of guts for any quarry that you (may) bump into as well as rabbits pre ban, and not bad pace for big dogs.My other 1x colliex grey is great rabbit dog day+ night, and very fast for a 1x, never had any injurys as such in nearly 6 years, and ive worked him hard every where ive took him to. But as said there some very good lurcherx lurchers out there,that are from provern parents,and to honest if i hadnt had Buck my 1x gsdx grey pup, i would have had a pup from another lad, that parents take any quarry, you never no i might have dropped a bollocx time will tell

i know what you mean bird....the likes of yourself that want a dog that is not too common...gsd x grey i can understand why you would have a 1st x,makes perfect sense ....but does the first cross litter have less of a success rate,with only some pups making the grade?,as with working lurcher x working lurcher....which surley would have a better success rate?

the breeding of any litter is only 50% of the equation the rest is down the owner and how well he or she can read the dog. some people are better at it than others. hence some dogs are seen as better than others. there is no actual reason why a first cross should be any better or worse than a lurcher to lurcher bred whelp provided its used for the reasons the cross was intended for. i broke a garden fork last week trying to lift paving slabs. i wont buy another one as there useless

[jamesmc 582]

 

 

 

never had a first cross of any sort.....always worker to worker

just wondering what a first cross offers that a worker to worker does not?

and why so many people want them or breed them?

 

well with any lurcher you start with a 1x, to get any lurcher line. There some very good lurcher x lurcher bred out there . Ive had 1xs as they are very good rabbits dogs, with great nose, good feet+coat,and not bad stamina,for day+ night work. Isuppose with lurcherx lurcher bred you get faster type dog with more running dog in the mix, and with saluki in there prob better stamina. But the x i have now 1 x gsd x grey, a renown for very good stamina,that will run all night long, and plenty of guts for any quarry that you (may) bump into as well as rabbits pre ban, and not bad pace for big dogs.My other 1x colliex grey is great rabbit dog day+ night, and very fast for a 1x, never had any injurys as such in nearly 6 years, and ive worked him hard every where ive took him to. But as said there some very good lurcherx lurchers out there,that are from provern parents,and to honest if i hadnt had Buck my 1x gsdx grey pup, i would have had a pup from another lad, that parents take any quarry, you never no i might have dropped a bollocx time will tell

i know what you mean bird....the likes of yourself that want a dog that is not too common...gsd x grey i can understand why you would have a 1st x,makes perfect sense ....but does the first cross litter have less of a success rate,with only some pups making the grade?,as with working lurcher x working lurcher....which surley would have a better success rate?

the breeding of any litter is only 50% of the equation the rest is down the owner and how well he or she can read the dog. some people are better at it than others. hence some dogs are seen as better than others. there is no actual reason why a first cross should be any better or worse than a lurcher to lurcher bred whelp provided its used for the reasons the cross was intended for. i broke a garden fork last week trying to lift paving slabs. i wont buy another one as there useless

i am no expert.....but i definetly know that it is 50/50 as said,you the owner have to put in as much effort as the dog

[AirgunGuy 362]

 

 

 

never had a first cross of any sort.....always worker to worker

just wondering what a first cross offers that a worker to worker does not?

and why so many people want them or breed them?

 

well with any lurcher you start with a 1x, to get any lurcher line. There some very good lurcher x lurcher bred out there . Ive had 1xs as they are very good rabbits dogs, with great nose, good feet+coat,and not bad stamina,for day+ night work. Isuppose with lurcherx lurcher bred you get faster type dog with more running dog in the mix, and with saluki in there prob better stamina. But the x i have now 1 x gsd x grey, a renown for very good stamina,that will run all night long, and plenty of guts for any quarry that you (may) bump into as well as rabbits pre ban, and not bad pace for big dogs.My other 1x colliex grey is great rabbit dog day+ night, and very fast for a 1x, never had any injurys as such in nearly 6 years, and ive worked him hard every where ive took him to. But as said there some very good lurcherx lurchers out there,that are from provern parents,and to honest if i hadnt had Buck my 1x gsdx grey pup, i would have had a pup from another lad, that parents take any quarry, you never no i might have dropped a bollocx time will tell

i know what you mean bird....the likes of yourself that want a dog that is not too common...gsd x grey i can understand why you would have a 1st x,makes perfect sense ....but does the first cross litter have less of a success rate,with only some pups making the grade?,as with working lurcher x working lurcher....which surley would have a better success rate?

the breeding of any litter is only 50% of the equation the rest is down the owner and how well he or she can read the dog. some people are better at it than others. hence some dogs are seen as better than others. there is no actual reason why a first cross should be any better or worse than a lurcher to lurcher bred whelp provided its used for the reasons the cross was intended for. i broke a garden fork last week trying to lift paving slabs. i wont buy another one as there useless

Thats like a chehuahua x yorkie for fox Try a pick next time and save the garden fork for the tatties

Edited March 22, 2013 by AirgunGuy

[nothernlite 18,023]

every dogs different seen good and bad in both worker to worker and first crosses

[jamesmc 582]

every dogs different seen good and bad in both worker to worker and first crosses

same mate ....but thats what am trying to figure out if there is more to it?.....or if i should carry on thinking what i have always thought....its what you put into them....a good honest hard graft..

[nothernlite 18,023]

 

every dogs different seen good and bad in both worker to worker and first crosses

same mate ....but thats what am trying to figure out if there is more to it?.....or if i should carry on thinking what i have always thought....its what you put into them....a good honest hard graft..

i think it is james and maybe what your wanting the dog for as in ferreting and mooching i would tend to go for a first cross but your worker to worker can do the same its a hard one f--k it i would go for a second cross lol

[blackgreyhound 206]

jamesmc.the years have gone by and many crosses i have tried i have brought a few lurcher to lurcher pups .the problem with lurcher to lurcher is that over time the progeny tend to get thinner coats lighter bone thinner pads and less stamina and less brains.as i have said before my father who was a young man in the 1920 era said to me if your line is getting weak you have to put the bitch back to collie lab gsd or something similar to put back whaht is being lost brains coat stamina etc..people on here talk nonsense when they say first cross litter wastage .if like me you used to like chaseing long ears then with a first cross you will get a lot of litter wastage because you are seeking speed.even in lurcher to lurcher most wont make hare dogs.but if you get a first cross like i had gsdxg thaht had speed stamina and brains coat etc then no lurcher to lurcher can match it.also lurcher to lurcher if they lack coat stamina brains take the lamp away and they are fecked.i can guarentee that any genuine cxg gsdxg labxg etc there will not be any litter wastage because one they wont blow up two they will all have brains three good pads four they wont rip like greyhoundy lurchers do. five they can handle lack of food and the cold better .six they will all be highly trainable for multitasking..a few will be very fast most will only be average speed.but if you get a fast one they canott be beaten because they have speed brains coat and stamina.if you are looking for a lurcher to lurcher the best crosses are cxg xdg.labxg xcg bullxgxcg gsdxcg etc .allways try to obtain lurchers with at least hailf greyhound or whippet and 2 quarters power brains coat stamina.collie lab gsd bull etc,even threequarter collie lab gsd bull quarter greyhound will suffice for mooching with .as i have said before if i want to go off roading i use a landrover.not a sports car .