Ragley 10 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Hi Four years ago, I joined a local shoot as a beater. Not knowing much at all about shooting, I was interested in how the guns knew where to stand. Obviously, there were peg markers, but how did the guns know which peg to stand on? It was all down to drawing a number. However, most of the guns got confused and forgot their numbers. Before each drive, we would have the situation where Shoot Captain and Keeper would have to position the guns on the right pegs. With 6 drives, and 9 guns, a rotation method was needed, so I came up with a laminated card which shows rotated drive numbers, with the first being circled as the gun identifier (see attached). These are drawn at the meet. These are made in 60mm x 90mm portrait or landscape format, can be personalised with any photo, accomodate any number of guns or drives, and are relatively cheap to produce. They have proven to be so succesful, that I've started making them for the shoots of guests who are visiting. Do you think that there could be a market for these? If there's an interest in more detail, please PM me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,637 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Why do 3 numbers go vertical and 3 horizontal? And which numbers represent which drive? I'm assuming the mornings drives go down and the afternoons drives go across, moving up by 4 each drive? Got to be honest, if I was given that I would be a bit confused at first. I would probably favour a more intuitive design, something really straightforward so there is absolutely no confusion. I think you could sell them if made from a thin plastic or engraved/stamped brass and come with a nice leather wallet to hold them (price wise I would think that should fetch around £100 mark). But they don't allow a shoot captain the freedom to improvise a bit, like adding another drive if necessary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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alimac 882 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 I like the European way, 8 guns, think its evens up 3 odds down 2 every drive, stops you getting the same neighbours on each drive.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 I like the European way, 8 guns, think its evens up 3 odds down 2 every drive, stops you getting the same neighbours on each drive.. haha.....some guns find it hard to do the "move up 2" system so making it more difficult seems strange. If they would just remember there own number instead of trying to remember everybodys they would find it a piece of piss!.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,637 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 I like the European way, 8 guns, think its evens up 3 odds down 2 every drive, stops you getting the same neighbours on each drive.. haha.....some guns find it hard to do the "move up 2" system so making it more difficult seems strange. If they would just remember there own number instead of trying to remember everybodys they would find it a piece of piss!.... One of the great wonders of the driven shoot........... why guns can't count and why beaters can't walk in a line........... 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 I like the European way, 8 guns, think its evens up 3 odds down 2 every drive, stops you getting the same neighbours on each drive.. haha.....some guns find it hard to do the "move up 2" system so making it more difficult seems strange. If they would just remember there own number instead of trying to remember everybodys they would find it a piece of piss!.... One of the great wonders of the driven shoot........... why guns can't count and why beaters can't walk in a line........... ......You hear it often eh....someone pulls 7 in an 8 gun day, told too move up 2 and they have to ask what number they go to next..?.. Should send them home.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mattlimb 27 Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 I like the European way, 8 guns, think its evens up 3 odds down 2 every drive, stops you getting the same neighbours on each drive.. Shot like this a couple of time, steady on the Sloe Gin and it works - makes for a great day 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
East West traveller 1 Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 I like the European way, 8 guns, think its evens up 3 odds down 2 every drive, stops you getting the same neighbours on each drive.. If you do that, do you not end up with the second drive having 2 guns at every odd peg, and no guns at the even pegs? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ragley 10 Posted December 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Works perfectly. As long as the number of guns is divisible by a whole number, with the rotations based on a different whole number, there are no conflicts. If 11 or 7 guns, then I work on guns +1 leaving a spare peg. We had 12 Guns (3 guests) out yesterday on 8 drives and no problems. All of the guests thought it was an excellent method. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
East West traveller 1 Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Works perfectly. Eh? Quoted example was 8 guns, evens go up 3 so 2,4,6,8, become 5, 7, 1, 3 Odds go down 2 so 1,3,5,7 become 7,1,3,5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alimac 882 Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 When a gun reaches no8 they then go to no7 next. & when a gun reaches no1 they then go to no2 next.. Il hunt my sheet out and put it up when I get a chance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Yip this method is much clearer than just moving the f**k up 2.... Jesus Christ.. Lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alimac 882 Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Haha no one said it was plain & simple but saves you from being stuck next to the same 2 guns every drive.. Having said that a decent host/keeper would have a pile of the printed off so each gun gets a card when he draws his first peg in the morning.. First number is one drawn 1-2-4-6-8-7 2-4-6-8-7-5 3-1-2-4-6-8 4-6-8-7-5-3 5-3-1-2-4-6 6-8-7-5-3-1 7-5-3-1-2-4 8-7-5-3-1-2 ;-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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