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#61 Caprelous

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:15 am

I think it depends who owns the land. Anyone who owns their own land and charges fees to keep the estate going I can understand and sort of accept. But anyone who pays a landowner then sub it out just to make money is wrong, do you buy the deer and release them like pheasant shoots? No , if you don't pay for the shoot I can guarantee there will be a ton of people on here who will take over the land do it for free, do the same job and take some novices out for free as well.

I have a boat and my marina charge what's called a contractors fee, when someone works on my boat, so anytime i have a mechanic or a cleaner on my boat it costs me £15, what for nothing, as much as I ask they cannot justify that either.

I would have thought if you owned a boat with me once having one and can empathize with you . and the money it costs in marina fees or mooring fees , the charge made by stalking establishments would be small change in partaking in your chosen sport. LOL.


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 07:42 am

is this a bit too  simplistic:

 

if you own the land then its fair to charge

if you are employed to work on the land (farmer, game keeper, etc) then does that give the right to charge? (as any money, carcass etc is  the property of the owner)

if the employee doesnt want to take you out then thats fair enough as its their time.

 

it just seems like some folk who have the permission to shoot, stalk, boar hunt etc are then charging onwards for their own pocket lining. surely this is wrong!

 

i'm entirely new too this so be gentle with critique.  :angel:



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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:29 am

Yes.....

if you own the land its fair to charge......

if you are employed to work on the land(farmer,gamekeeper,  etc ) that does not give you the right to charge because your employed to do what your employer wants.

if the employee dos'nt  want to take you that's not ok because they are employed to do a job ...

It all depends on who has the stalking / shooting right on the land .Which unfortunately boils down to in many cases, who has the deepest pockets. This said there are times when even the landowner /farmer has to look further than the quick buck (excuse the pun) and look to the longer game.one of my places was let for silly money to a guy who wanted to shoot a few decent bucks during the rut after which he had no real interest .This eventually led the farmer to realise the deer in the end were doing more damage to crops,fences  etc than was coming back as rent with the problem increasing year on year. We now work to a plan were I cull the deer ,he's not pulling what little hair he has left out, we half the venison .I also put up the seats ,mainly doubles(£200 a go)  ,& to retain that stalking im out every few days , that takes time, fuel ,etc ....So to take someone out all that needs putting in the equation .I don't want that to sound i'm hard done by i'm not I love doing it ,I don't earn any sort of a living from stalking but what comes in offsets SOME of the cost.......There are not that many people that earn a fortune from stalking compared to sitting in an office punching a key board......that's were the big crooks are !!


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:30 am

It all boils down to we all have somewhere either Scottish or Yorkshire blood in our veins and we are all as tight as cramp.

 

We all think we are being robbed and we  all want it for nothing or in some cases to be paid for doing it.   LOL

 

Its human nature yet when you try to give it away know one wants it. LOL they all think its a catch LOL

 

This Stalking game cracks me up good style.

Your Either a miserable b*****d or a Robbing one. you cant win


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Posted 11 April 2013 - 08:35 am

Yes.....

if you own the land its fair to charge......

if you are employed to work on the land(farmer,gamekeeper,  etc ) that does not give you the right to charge because your employed to do what your employer wants.

if the employee dos'nt  want to take you that's not ok because they are employed to do a job ...

It all depends on who has the stalking / shooting right on the land .Which unfortunately boils down to in many cases, who has the deepest pockets. This said there are times when even the landowner /farmer has to look further than the quick buck (excuse the pun) and look to the longer game.one of my places was let for silly money to a guy who wanted to shoot a few decent bucks during the rut after which he had no real interest .This eventually led the farmer to realise the deer in the end were doing more damage to crops,fences  etc than was coming back as rent with the problem increasing year on year. We now work to a plan were I cull the deer ,he's not pulling what little hair he has left out, we half the venison .I also put up the seats ,mainly doubles(£200 a go)  ,& to retain that stalking im out every few days , that takes time, fuel ,etc ....So to take someone out all that needs putting in the equation .I don't want that to sound i'm hard done by i'm not I love doing it ,I don't earn any sort of a living from stalking but what comes in offsets SOME of the cost.......There are not that many people that earn a fortune from stalking compared to sitting in an office punching a key board......that's were the big crooks are !!

Never a truer sentence made.

 

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 09:00 am

I  would have thought if you owned a boat with me once having one and can empathize with you . and the money it costs in marina fees or mooring fees , the charge made by stalking establishments would be small change in partaking in your chosen sport. LOL.

dunno I've never paid for stalking, but I am taking someone out from this site for free next week... and yes we have a big bin and all we do is throw money into it that's called boating, a 40ft cruiser is my baby but my god does it cost,

 

The good bit is that I've found a new buyer and they collect so I've had a pay rise, got 3 big beasts yesterday and didn't have to pay the shot fee or anything, all it cost was £3 in bullets, some sweat dragging them, although its getting better as I drove across the field to one of them.

 

 The land I shot these on was the place I went to on Sunday I have covered it in a previous thread, its a question of doing some work get decent cards made introduce yourself and be friendly, don't be a salesman knock on the door and ask to shoot, get to know farmers and then ask, let them know your shooting in the area etc.  there is land out there waiting for someone you don't need to pay all the time.


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 12:35 pm

It all boils down to we all have somewhere either Scottish or Yorkshire blood in our veins and we are all as tight as cramp.

 

We all think we are being robbed and we  all want it for nothing or in some cases to be paid for doing it.   LOL

 

Its human nature yet when you try to give it away know one wants it. LOL they all think its a catch LOL

 

This Stalking game cracks me up good style.

Your Either a miserable b*****d or a Robbing one. you cant win

 

:laugh:  :laugh:



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Posted 13 April 2013 - 07:44 pm

I quite agree as I have said before that a stalker taking a client out,should be paid for his/her time,no argument,however its this paying for the shot bollocks that gets my goat,yes if a client wounds an animal,and the stalker has to invest more time and effort looking for the animal,possibly into the next day,then again I think they should be compensated,but when people think it is ok to charge a man 40quid on top of stalking fee,carcass fee ect,just for pulling his own trigger(and lets face it that is what they are there to do in the first place) that to me just says money grabbing b*****d,and I would never under any circumstances purchase a day from anyone who does,and if we all did the same we could stamp out this racket,if I buy a day ticket trout fishing I dont expect to be charged every time my line lands on the water. rant in progress.

 

It's like buying a porno and then having to pay to knock one out


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 03:29 pm

I hope to be going up to Martins tomorrow to look for a Munty weather permitting, bet that will cost me something atleast  4/5 rabbits. :tongue2: :thumbs:



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Posted 14 April 2013 - 04:42 pm

I'm out in a bit ,thought I,d sit up being its not peeing down or blowing a gale ..



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Posted 14 April 2013 - 06:20 pm

feck me a farmer has just offered me a free deer on his land I'd better take him up on the offer if deer stalking costs this much!


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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:33 pm

Cant get cheaper than that ....good luck



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Posted 14 April 2013 - 08:50 pm

I quite agree as I have said before that a stalker taking a client out,should be paid for his/her time,no argument,however its this paying for the shot bollocks that gets my goat,yes if a client wounds an animal,and the stalker has to invest more time and effort looking for the animal,possibly into the next day,then again I think they should be compensated,but when people think it is ok to charge a man 40quid on top of stalking fee,carcass fee ect,just for pulling his own trigger(and lets face it that is what they are there to do in the first place) that to me just says money grabbing b*****d,and I would never under any circumstances purchase a day from anyone who does,and if we all did the same we could stamp out this racket,if I buy a day ticket trout fishing I dont expect to be charged every time my line lands on the water. rant in progress.

 
It's like buying a porno and then having to pay to knock one out
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Posted 15 April 2013 - 06:40 pm

 

I quite agree as I have said before that a stalker taking a client out,should be paid for his/her time,no argument,however its this paying for the shot bollocks that gets my goat,yes if a client wounds an animal,and the stalker has to invest more time and effort looking for the animal,possibly into the next day,then again I think they should be compensated,but when people think it is ok to charge a man 40quid on top of stalking fee,carcass fee ect,just for pulling his own trigger(and lets face it that is what they are there to do in the first place) that to me just says money grabbing b*****d,and I would never under any circumstances purchase a day from anyone who does,and if we all did the same we could stamp out this racket,if I buy a day ticket trout fishing I dont expect to be charged every time my line lands on the water. rant in progress.

 
It's like buying a porno and then having to pay to knock one out
superb

 

i would want each shooting experience to last as long as possible. if there is a charge for each shot  :tongue2:


Edited by riflehunter583, 15 April 2013 - 06:51 pm.


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Posted 15 April 2013 - 07:56 pm

There are many different circumstances i am sure, farmed, forestry grounds, & managed grounds. Some go out & shoot all they see, whether rabbits , fox or deer & it don't take long to wipe an area out if not managed correctly. If abused the resident animals soon wander off to safer havens, or get accustomed to the sight, sound & smell of danger , making themselves scarce.

 

Managed grounds have costs to cover, winter feed, fuel, planting, etc etc hence the quality stalking & meat . The animals are not there to be wiped out ,or cause suffering to with inexperienced shots , posssibly deer dieing a slow painful death, wasting the meat also. They are there to managed into fine specimens for health , disease free & to cull as required to slow the destruction of any crops , meadows etc they may cause. The idea is not kill everything that be seen !! I for 1 get as much pleasure watching them, in the natural habitat doing there daily thing etc & knowing some well, just as i do tasting them on my fork next to fine veg occasionally.

 

If only the countryside were filled with all quarry by the dozens as like sheep in the meadows, then things would be different. As i see they are NOT & skill is needed , that takes time  :thumbs:

 

"The wildlife of today is not ours to dispose of as we please. We have it in trust. We must account for it to those who come after." - KING GEORGE VI




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