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Mileajo, I admit I dint fully understand your explanation of legislation and law and how that affects everybody, but from the little I can understand it would seem to be a hard task for the law enforcement officers to bring anybody before the courts.

 

The part about video evidence is likely to have been met, as almost all, motorway service stations, railway stations, airports, shopping centres etc are now covered by extensive and high quality cctv, that is monitored and goes through a proper audit system of retention of images etc.

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Let's say theres a video...lets say they managed to find it, I'm guessing it would show no unlawful act being perpetrated. I say guessing as I wasn't there.

 

Youre right, the only people in courts would be real criminals! Not people like Tony and Darryl.

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Mileajo, I dont fully agree with your views, I am sure you and Daryl and most people in society are decent law abiding citizens. The reason they are like that is because they have a deep rooted respect for the law and/or moral rights and wrongs.

 

If the police didnt investigate, potential wrong doings, then alot of both minor and serious crimes would not get detected and society would eventually breakdown.

 

I dont know Daryl but 100% in my mind, and unless I am mis understanding Daryls post, he is saying as well, that he has been a very unlucky victim of circumstances. My personal view is that the full events could have been investigated and the person selling should have been held responsible, but I have no doubt, he would have denied it and said that it had been adjusted after the sale!

 

Daryls message and warning to everybody is a constructive one, and hopefully save somebody the same heartache someday.

 

ATB.

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Mileajo, I dont fully agree with your views, I am sure you and Daryl and most people in society are decent law abiding citizens. The reason they are like that is because they have a deep rooted respect for the law and/or moral rights and wrongs.

 

If the police didnt investigate, potential wrong doings, then alot of both minor and serious crimes would not get detected and society would eventually breakdown.

 

I dont know Daryl but 100% in my mind, and unless I am mis understanding Daryls post, he is saying as well, that he has been a very unlucky victim of circumstances. My personal view is that the full events could have been investigated and the person selling should have been held responsible, but I have no doubt, he would have denied it and said that it had been adjusted after the sale!

 

Daryls message and warning to everybody is a constructive one, and hopefully save somebody the same heartache someday.

 

ATB.

 

I think you misconstrue my meaning. I think you also believe that the police are something they used to be and what you have been told they are not what they truly are, Policy enforcement and revenue collection for HRH. They are only supposed to keep the peace and bring true criminals to justice on behalf of a victim should they choose to outsource the task to them.

I agree, things need to be investigated, but only when there is an injured party. In this case, yes someone somewhere may have had 'reasonable suspicion' a crime was about to or had taken place, that's fine. But where it blurs is when Darryl becomes an injured party! Through indoctrination that compliance is the only course, he has suffered needlessly. I would never accept a caution as that would imply guilt. I would demand they put me in communication with an injured party so that I may rectify any issue and settle any claim they may have against me. I'm an adult and capable resolving these things without any third party interlopers.

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I also respect and accept that your opinion may differ from my own, the above is an elaboration of mine, rather than an attempt to change your point of view.

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So why are all the clever lawyers, barristers and people with more legal knowledge than them, not doing something about it?

 

It just doesn't make sense to me. It would also be very wrong, because victims of crime, can and do get intimidated not to give evidence and go forward to the police to report crimes. If it wasnt for the support, and investigations that the police do, there would be some seriously bad people out there who would literally be getting away with murder, rape, robbery etc. I know this is way out of context with the OP, but I am struggling to understand how the country would remain peaceful, under your ideal.

 

You are obviously a clever person and have done some research,but it doesnt add up.

 

The bit about policy does make sense, and an example of this, is when FLO say that you cannot shoot foxes with a rimfire.....bollox, that is policy laid down by an individual police force and is not the law, hence you will not find a prosecution for it. I can only assume it is along these lines, that your arguament stands.

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Lawyers perpetuate the illusion. Or should I say delusion. Why don't they do something about it? Would you terminate a very lucrative source of income founded on the ignorance of others? Harsh, but true.

 

To illustrate my understanding again, here's the difference.

 

You go out and bash a granny over the head and rob her for her fish and chips, you deserve all that you get. If there are witnesses, you'll have a tough time escaping punishment and damn right too in my opinion. :censored:

 

However,

 

You disagree with a UK government bombing the seven bells out of Libyan women and children and protest by witholding your council tax and demand they tell you where your money is going and being spent, if you don't know the game, you could find yourself in prison!!! :yes:

 

Or you demand your bank show you two signatures on your mortgage agreement and prove it is a legal contract that binds you and that they didn't produce the money from thin air, you could find the Police aiding the bailiffs as they steal what is rightfully and lawfully yours!!!!!

 

Thats the perversion of our police that i'm highlighting. And yes the two latter scenarios are a downright waste of their time that prevents them otherwise bringing granny bashers to justice. Why do they bother? Revenue. You'll be fined and charged 'costs' etc. It keeps the money flowing to the top. Its their bread and butter.

Your taxes don't pay for the police, despite what your told. Your taxes just cover the interest on the current national debt. So without borrowing more from the so say 'Bank Of England' (its not our bank its a private corporation with private investors who's names are protected by special legislation).

 

But thats a whole other story...

 

Suffice to say there is;

unlawful activity = granny basher

and 'illegal activity' without injured parties = Darryl.

 

Hope that helps explain my rationale.

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Lawyers perpetuate the illusion. Or should I say delusion. Why don't they do something about it? Would you terminate a very lucrative source of income founded on the ignorance of others? Harsh, but true.

 

To illustrate my understanding again, here's the difference.

 

You go out and bash a granny over the head and rob her for her fish and chips, you deserve all that you get. If there are witnesses, you'll have a tough time escaping punishment and damn right too in my opinion. :censored:

 

However,

 

You disagree with a UK government bombing the seven bells out of Libyan women and children and protest by witholding your council tax and demand they tell you where your money is going and being spent, if you don't know the game, you could find yourself in prison!!! :yes:

 

Or you demand your bank show you two signatures on your mortgage agreement and prove it is a legal contract that binds you and that they didn't produce the money from thin air, you could find the Police aiding the bailiffs as they steal what is rightfully and lawfully yours!!!!!

 

Thats the perversion of our police that i'm highlighting. And yes the two latter scenarios are a downright waste of their time that prevents them otherwise bringing granny bashers to justice.

 

Hope that helps explain my rationale.

Yes a little, and it has been a very interesting conversation, thank you.

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Thank you tegater! It helps to be challenged and questioned to ensure that I do in fact know what it is I think i know lol! Or even clearly believe what it is I proclaim to believe.

 

Plus, its fun. :D

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Unlucky isnt the word mate, although you would attract attention dealing out the back of your car in a service station

 

I bought a rifle from a forum guy and was told it was 11.2ft lbs .. i was too trusting and that turned out at 16ft lbs, if i had been caught with it i would have had the same thing happen, not good.

 

Definitly everyone should get a chrono or take their rifle ot somewhere to get it chrono'd just for piece of mind, even if they charge you a fee its better than losing the rifle and the hassle.

 

Hope this is the end of it mate and it dosnt sting you in any other way

 

ATB

 

Adam

£20 at gun shop , so when you think some guns are 300+ well worth it

 

£41 for a Combro (though prices are reported to be rising soon)!

 

Where from as the website and everywhere else seems to be sold out - they are selling for £60+ on ebay

 

Ive searched all the sites i can find and no one has them in stock, or it says they have i ring them to make sure and they are out of stock

 

ATB

 

Adam

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Don't forget the for sale section, a few have popped up recently. I paid £49 a while back on eBay, Mole tells me that was too much, but hey, its value is in the piece of mind for me.

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I would seriously suggest anyone else who is arrested for this type of thing or any other offence for which they don't believe they have committed to take free legal advice and have a solicitor appointed. It's one of your free rights you have when being booked into custody!

 

Take their advice they know what their doing, no disrespect to Milegajo but ideals and beliefs hold no ground in PACE which is what governs the way the police deal with you and the investigation. Milegajo's gypsy mind tricks or Jedi powers won't work.

 

Simply put the safest way to deal in air rifles or pistols is to travel to the buyers address and take a chrono or make sure they have one.

 

If you have to deal in public places such as service stations park right at the far end away from other people and keep both guns in the boot of the car, don't go picking them up and looking down the sights or messing about with them! This way you can't get reported but doesn't stop the issue of the gun being over powered.

 

ATB

 

Mawders

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Unlucky isnt the word mate, although you would attract attention dealing out the back of your car in a service station

 

I bought a rifle from a forum guy and was told it was 11.2ft lbs .. i was too trusting and that turned out at 16ft lbs, if i had been caught with it i would have had the same thing happen, not good.

 

Definitly everyone should get a chrono or take their rifle ot somewhere to get it chrono'd just for piece of mind, even if they charge you a fee its better than losing the rifle and the hassle.

 

Hope this is the end of it mate and it dosnt sting you in any other way

 

ATB

 

Adam

£20 at gun shop , so when you think some guns are 300+ well worth it

 

£41 for a Combro (though prices are reported to be rising soon)!

 

Where from as the website and everywhere else seems to be sold out - they are selling for £60+ on ebay

 

Ive searched all the sites i can find and no one has them in stock, or it says they have i ring them to make sure and they are out of stock

 

ATB

 

Adam

just get an F1 mate.. my cb625 is getting sold soon!

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I would seriously suggest anyone else who is arrested for this type of thing or any other offence for which they don't believe they have committed to take free legal advice and have a solicitor appointed. It's one of your free rights you have when being booked into custody!

 

Take their advice they know what their doing,

 

ATB

 

Mawders

 

Sorry Mawders,

 

But I would have to say BOLLOX!!!

 

When I was 'DONE' for POSSESSION of an illegal xmas gift, sorry Section one Fire arm (running at 13.04 ft/lbs) my FREE Solicitor advised that I should take a Caution :yes:

 

I duely followed his instruction :yes: and admitted Possession (even though I was over 9 miles away from the item in question and I was neither Arrested or formally charged with the offence).

If I had at the time been "of Sound Mind" (I had suffered a 'Crash/Secondary breakdown' due to being made homeless/lost job/divorced, sister dying etc :oops: ....) I would have spoken to BASC :yes:

First thing they tell you in circumstances such as what happened to both Darryl and myself is DO NOT ACCEPT a Caution :nono:

 

Like Darryl I made the mistake and accepted a Caution for 'Possession'. WHY? because we are both Law Abiding People! :yes:

Doing so is an admittance of guilt (not only for possession, but as a side line it's an implied admission that we "Knew" it was illegal!

 

Neither I or the person who gave me this gift knew it was running hot, the RFD that SOLD the gun in question when I spoke to him when I was better told me it was running at 11.76 ft/lbs, which of course is well within the legal limits.

 

When my insurance is due for renewal (any day now) I shall be joining BASC, just in case anything like this happens again (I often buy second hand pistols). I can not be cautioned for a second Section One offence!

 

So a Criminal Solicitor may not have the knowladge that a specialist Solicitor will have!

 

Now because I and Darryl now have a "Section one Caution" we will never be allowed to gain a job that holds a "Position of Trust" Which means I will not be granted an SIA License to practice as a "Close Protection Officer" (Bodyguard) oe even as a gate guard!

Darryl will find that if he applies for a job as a "Bonded" load driver, he won't get the job!

 

A conviction expires :yes: a Caution does not!

 

Tony

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