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#1 steven96

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 10:46 am

I Recently Purchased My First Gun Which Is A Miroku Over And Under 12 Gauge Shotgun. Im Wondering If Anyone Could Tell Me Its Age Or How To Find Out Its Age? I Also Dont Know The Model Of It Or If It Even Has A Model So Anything Ye Could Tell Me Would Be Much Appreciated! The Serial Number Is 156905! Thanks!

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 12:06 pm

Are there any letter's before or after the serial number?

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 12:17 pm

Italian guns are easily dated by a code - not in the serial numbers but next to the proof mark. Here's the list - and apologies for a rather long post:
Roman numeral series
I=1945; II=1946; III=1947; IV=1948; V=1949, VI=1950; VII=1951; VIII=1952; IX=1953; X=1954; XI=1955; XIII=1957; XIV=1958; XV=1959; XVI=1960; XVII=1962; XIX=1963; XX=1964; XXI=1965; XXII=1966; XXIII=1967; XXIV=1968; XXV=1969; XXVI=1970; XXVII=1971; XXVIII=1972; XXIX=1973; XXX=1974.
The above Roman numerals are the official version, but I have heard of some Arabic numerals creeping in as a sort of “shorthand” – for instance, XX8 for 1972 – in order to save space.
Letter series
AA=1975; AB=1976; AC=1977; AD=1978AE=1979; AF=1980; AH=1981; AI=1982; AL=1983; AM=1984; AN=1985: AP=1986; AS=1987; AT=1988; AU=1989; AZ=1990; BA=1991; BB=1992; BC=1993; BD=1994; BF=1995; BH=1996; BI=1997; BL=1998; BM=1999; BN=2000; BP=2001; BS=2002; BT=2003; BU=2004; BZ=2005; CA=2006; CB=2007; CC=2008.
You may wonder why the letter sequence is not logical. The reason is that the Italian language does not use the full alphabet – J,K,W,X and Y are not used in Italian words. The letter O is missed out because of a possible confusion with zero, while Q also leads to confusion when stamped very small.

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 12:43 pm

Are there any letter's before or after the serial number?

Yes There Is An M Before It I Only Saw It There Now!

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 12:46 pm

Italian guns are easily dated by a code - not in the serial numbers but next to the proof mark. Here's the list - and apologies for a rather long post:
Roman numeral series
I=1945; II=1946; III=1947; IV=1948; V=1949, VI=1950; VII=1951; VIII=1952; IX=1953; X=1954; XI=1955; XIII=1957; XIV=1958; XV=1959; XVI=1960; XVII=1962; XIX=1963; XX=1964; XXI=1965; XXII=1966; XXIII=1967; XXIV=1968; XXV=1969; XXVI=1970; XXVII=1971; XXVIII=1972; XXIX=1973; XXX=1974.
The above Roman numerals are the official version, but I have heard of some Arabic numerals creeping in as a sort of “shorthand” – for instance, XX8 for 1972 – in order to save space.
Letter series
AA=1975; AB=1976; AC=1977; AD=1978AE=1979; AF=1980; AH=1981; AI=1982; AL=1983; AM=1984; AN=1985: AP=1986; AS=1987; AT=1988; AU=1989; AZ=1990; BA=1991; BB=1992; BC=1993; BD=1994; BF=1995; BH=1996; BI=1997; BL=1998; BM=1999; BN=2000; BP=2001; BS=2002; BT=2003; BU=2004; BZ=2005; CA=2006; CB=2007; CC=2008.
You may wonder why the letter sequence is not logical. The reason is that the Italian language does not use the full alphabet – J,K,W,X and Y are not used in Italian words. The letter O is missed out because of a possible confusion with zero, while Q also leads to confusion when stamped very small.

Thanks For That But I Taught Miroku Were Japenese? I Could Be Wrong About That Though. But there Is No Number Or Letter On It Apart From An M Infront Of The Serial Number!

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 12:48 pm


Italian guns are easily dated by a code - not in the serial numbers but next to the proof mark. Here's the list - and apologies for a rather long post:
Roman numeral series
I=1945; II=1946; III=1947; IV=1948; V=1949, VI=1950; VII=1951; VIII=1952; IX=1953; X=1954; XI=1955; XIII=1957; XIV=1958; XV=1959; XVI=1960; XVII=1962; XIX=1963; XX=1964; XXI=1965; XXII=1966; XXIII=1967; XXIV=1968; XXV=1969; XXVI=1970; XXVII=1971; XXVIII=1972; XXIX=1973; XXX=1974.
The above Roman numerals are the official version, but I have heard of some Arabic numerals creeping in as a sort of “shorthand” – for instance, XX8 for 1972 – in order to save space.
Letter series
AA=1975; AB=1976; AC=1977; AD=1978AE=1979; AF=1980; AH=1981; AI=1982; AL=1983; AM=1984; AN=1985: AP=1986; AS=1987; AT=1988; AU=1989; AZ=1990; BA=1991; BB=1992; BC=1993; BD=1994; BF=1995; BH=1996; BI=1997; BL=1998; BM=1999; BN=2000; BP=2001; BS=2002; BT=2003; BU=2004; BZ=2005; CA=2006; CB=2007; CC=2008.
You may wonder why the letter sequence is not logical. The reason is that the Italian language does not use the full alphabet – J,K,W,X and Y are not used in Italian words. The letter O is missed out because of a possible confusion with zero, while Q also leads to confusion when stamped very small.

Thanks For That But I Taught Miroku Were Japenese? I Could Be Wrong About That Though. But there Is No Number Or Letter On It Apart From An M Infront Of The Serial Number!

miroku is browning is italian but made in japan under the miroku name, there will be 2 letters next to the proof marks, check them against that list and it will give you the year of manufacture

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 12:59 pm



Italian guns are easily dated by a code - not in the serial numbers but next to the proof mark. Here's the list - and apologies for a rather long post:
Roman numeral series
I=1945; II=1946; III=1947; IV=1948; V=1949, VI=1950; VII=1951; VIII=1952; IX=1953; X=1954; XI=1955; XIII=1957; XIV=1958; XV=1959; XVI=1960; XVII=1962; XIX=1963; XX=1964; XXI=1965; XXII=1966; XXIII=1967; XXIV=1968; XXV=1969; XXVI=1970; XXVII=1971; XXVIII=1972; XXIX=1973; XXX=1974.
The above Roman numerals are the official version, but I have heard of some Arabic numerals creeping in as a sort of “shorthand” – for instance, XX8 for 1972 – in order to save space.
Letter series
AA=1975; AB=1976; AC=1977; AD=1978AE=1979; AF=1980; AH=1981; AI=1982; AL=1983; AM=1984; AN=1985: AP=1986; AS=1987; AT=1988; AU=1989; AZ=1990; BA=1991; BB=1992; BC=1993; BD=1994; BF=1995; BH=1996; BI=1997; BL=1998; BM=1999; BN=2000; BP=2001; BS=2002; BT=2003; BU=2004; BZ=2005; CA=2006; CB=2007; CC=2008.
You may wonder why the letter sequence is not logical. The reason is that the Italian language does not use the full alphabet – J,K,W,X and Y are not used in Italian words. The letter O is missed out because of a possible confusion with zero, while Q also leads to confusion when stamped very small.

Thanks For That But I Taught Miroku Were Japenese? I Could Be Wrong About That Though. But there Is No Number Or Letter On It Apart From An M Infront Of The Serial Number!

miroku is browning is italian but made in japan under the miroku name, there will be 2 letters next to the proof marks, check them against that list and it will give you the year of manufacture

There Is no letters beside them but thank you anyway!

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 02:20 pm

contact miroku/browning. they will tell ye. my mk3800 was made in 1982 and is still mint with an action as tight as a nun's crouch..

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 03:18 pm


Are there any letter's before or after the serial number?

Yes There Is An M Before It I Only Saw It There Now!


Usually 2 letters
different letter's correspond to different numbers to signify the year, my miroku's serial number start's with MR which is 07

Z=1
Y=2
X=3
W=4
V=5
T=6
R=7
P=8
N=9
M=0
Therefore a 2007 gun would have MR, a 2000 gun = MM, a 96 = NT etc

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 03:37 pm

Italian guns are easily dated by a code - not in the serial numbers but next to the proof mark. Here's the list - and apologies for a rather long post:
Roman numeral series
I=1945; II=1946; III=1947; IV=1948; V=1949, VI=1950; VII=1951; VIII=1952; IX=1953; X=1954; XI=1955; XIII=1957; XIV=1958; XV=1959; XVI=1960; XVII=1962; XIX=1963; XX=1964; XXI=1965; XXII=1966; XXIII=1967; XXIV=1968; XXV=1969; XXVI=1970; XXVII=1971; XXVIII=1972; XXIX=1973; XXX=1974.
The above Roman numerals are the official version, but I have heard of some Arabic numerals creeping in as a sort of “shorthand” – for instance, XX8 for 1972 – in order to save space.
Letter series
AA=1975; AB=1976; AC=1977; AD=1978AE=1979; AF=1980; AH=1981; AI=1982; AL=1983; AM=1984; AN=1985: AP=1986; AS=1987; AT=1988; AU=1989; AZ=1990; BA=1991; BB=1992; BC=1993; BD=1994; BF=1995; BH=1996; BI=1997; BL=1998; BM=1999; BN=2000; BP=2001; BS=2002; BT=2003; BU=2004; BZ=2005; CA=2006; CB=2007; CC=2008.
You may wonder why the letter sequence is not logical. The reason is that the Italian language does not use the full alphabet – J,K,W,X and Y are not used in Italian words. The letter O is missed out because of a possible confusion with zero, while Q also leads to confusion when stamped very small.

As for this list that you copied from the internet........ my previous gun was a DT10 whose serial number started with AF which your list would say was made in 1980 and not 2001, which is when it was actually made

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 03:55 pm


Italian guns are easily dated by a code - not in the serial numbers but next to the proof mark. Here's the list - and apologies for a rather long post:
Roman numeral series
I=1945; II=1946; III=1947; IV=1948; V=1949, VI=1950; VII=1951; VIII=1952; IX=1953; X=1954; XI=1955; XIII=1957; XIV=1958; XV=1959; XVI=1960; XVII=1962; XIX=1963; XX=1964; XXI=1965; XXII=1966; XXIII=1967; XXIV=1968; XXV=1969; XXVI=1970; XXVII=1971; XXVIII=1972; XXIX=1973; XXX=1974.
The above Roman numerals are the official version, but I have heard of some Arabic numerals creeping in as a sort of “shorthand” – for instance, XX8 for 1972 – in order to save space.
Letter series
AA=1975; AB=1976; AC=1977; AD=1978AE=1979; AF=1980; AH=1981; AI=1982; AL=1983; AM=1984; AN=1985: AP=1986; AS=1987; AT=1988; AU=1989; AZ=1990; BA=1991; BB=1992; BC=1993; BD=1994; BF=1995; BH=1996; BI=1997; BL=1998; BM=1999; BN=2000; BP=2001; BS=2002; BT=2003; BU=2004; BZ=2005; CA=2006; CB=2007; CC=2008.
You may wonder why the letter sequence is not logical. The reason is that the Italian language does not use the full alphabet – J,K,W,X and Y are not used in Italian words. The letter O is missed out because of a possible confusion with zero, while Q also leads to confusion when stamped very small.

As for this list that you copied from the internet........ my previous gun was a DT10 whose serial number started with AF which your list would say was made in 1980 and not 2001, which is when it was actually made

that date code is available all over the net. pigeon watch/sporting clays/shotgun world and so on, all say correct and it says mine was 1989 and the man that stocked it at diamond gunsmith services confimed that in a phone call. have a look yourself mate im sure its even on the beretta web site somewhere, its even on guntrader http://www.guntrader...t=58529&p=58601

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 06:01 pm

i found it a few months ago and it didnt make sense to me then

Edited by Hawkeye., 16 June 2012 - 06:01 pm.



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