Electrolyte drinks

[Guest Moscow]

Giro i have run a very fit saluki based dog to exaustion before today..the warning sign's where there when he started missing and lagging behind..that was him on the lead but it did not stop him going down..recharge was used and he is still here today in retirment..

 

Ive used it for quite a few seasons now and carnt sing its praises enough either

[Millet 4,497]

Sandy how are you meant to get a exausted dog to lift it's head up never mind eat anything..a squirty bottle full of recharge is the way forward to blast it straight down there throat..that way you know it's in there..

[lapin2008 1,587]

OK thanks, never seen it happen myself so wanted to cover the potential eventuality.

I will get some redcharge and maybe keep a couple of mini mars bars in the car (dont eat chocolate myself) but everything else you mention seems common sense to me

thanks

[sandymere 8,260]

Glucose in the drink will help, electrolytes may harm

My experience with recharge.

 

2 nights one using recharge after a run the other not using it.

 

Hard nights running dog was given recharge shortly after the last run, the dog had a long piss half an hour to an hour after given recharge it didnt drink more water than it usually does the next day, didnt seem as stiff and could of been ran the next night.

 

Different night the dog was given the same work but no recharge was given afterwards, the next day the dog drank quite a bit more water than usual even though it was given water shortly after its last run the night before, the dog was stiff next day and didnt look as if it was as fit for running the again that night.

 

Do the maths it seems to work and have benefits to me!

The glucose would have helped, the electrolytes may have harmed, no math involved to different nights. I’ve ran dogs hard and the next day would seen them more tired than another depends on hundreds of different things.

[sandymere 8,260]

The most up to date treatments will be those used in hospital to treat these things rather then a vet who as a surgeon is likely to be far less expert.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001505/

You will note from the link hyperkaelmia, high lighted under treatment, commonly known as high potassium is a dangerous result of muscle breakdown. I'm afraid kidney specialist know more than the average greyhound vet on the management of acute kidney damage as with rhabdomylysis.

So normal levels of electrolytes should be found in a decent diet, electrolyte loss through illness may need replacing but a healthy dogs is unlikely to have a deficit so supplements are literally pissed down the drain. When a dog is in a state of stress through hard work or collapse then adding in extra electrolytes, such as potassium, may do harm.

In conclusion if it make you feel better then a little electrolyte likely won’t hurt unless the dog has works hard and may have pushed its muscle a little to far..

 

Ps urban medicine is a bit like urban myths mainly harmless.

Edited June 14, 2012 by sandymere

[Giro 2,648]

From yours and Moscows imput it dose seem a worth while product to use...

 

I Think I am going to give it a go this season, nothing to loose..

[Guest Moscow]

OK thanks, never seen it happen myself so wanted to cover the potential eventuality.

I will get some redcharge and maybe keep a couple of mini mars bars in the car (dont eat chocolate myself) but everything else you mention seems common sense to me

thanks

 

Glucose powder mixed in water is better than chocolate bars IMO.. it can be squirted/poured in the dogs mouth and easily swallowed

 

Most chemists sell the stuff for couple of quid.

Edited June 14, 2012 by Moscow

[sandymere 8,260]

Sandymere you answer posts like a politician you avoid questions and never give a straight answer, your posts are long winded and usually a mile away from laymans terms I dont think anyone quite understands them? I dont even read them anymore TBH, Everything you post seems like its quoted from a book or literature written on the subject your posting about!

LOL, SALT BAD GLUCOSE GOOD.

[Guest Moscow]

Glucose in the drink will help, electrolytes may harm

My experience with recharge.

 

2 nights one using recharge after a run the other not using it.

 

Hard nights running dog was given recharge shortly after the last run, the dog had a long piss half an hour to an hour after given recharge it didnt drink more water than it usually does the next day, didnt seem as stiff and could of been ran the next night.

 

Different night the dog was given the same work but no recharge was given afterwards, the next day the dog drank quite a bit more water than usual even though it was given water shortly after its last run the night before, the dog was stiff next day and didnt look as if it was as fit for running the again that night.

 

Do the maths it seems to work and have benefits to me!

The glucose would have helped, the electrolytes may have harmed, no math involved to different nights. I’ve ran dogs hard and the next day would seen them more tired than another depends on hundreds of different things.

 

TBH Ive used glucose water to a similar effect as recharge, as for different nights I know my own dogs and the signs to look for that is just an example

[Guest Moscow]

Sandymere you answer posts like a politician you avoid questions and never give a straight answer, your posts are long winded and usually a mile away from laymans terms I dont think anyone quite understands them? I dont even read them anymore TBH, Everything you post seems like its quoted from a book or literature written on the subject your posting about!

LOL, SALT BAD GLUCOSE GOOD.

 

:laugh: ..... TBH you do seem like a knowledgable fella but you loose me at times.

[sandymere 8,260]

Sandy how are you meant to get a exausted dog to lift it's head up never mind eat anything..a squirty bottle full of recharge is the way forward to blast it straight down there throat..that way you know it's in there..

To quote myself"Cool it down (they are often suffering heat exhaustion as much as anything), small amount of glucose drink and vets if bad if not to bad then home after cooling and the small drink. Once home light meal and fluids such as an egg in some water with a couple of biscuits. monitor urine if very dark , brown or reddish then likely kidney damage from rabdomyolysis. Better avoided as far as possible by getting dogs fit enough for the work they are to do, feeding carbs prior and during work as I said in the earlier post and keeping an eye on how hot they are getting. "

 

The bars are for avoiding the collapse rather than after the event, you can squirt the glucose drink just as well if it contains no salt as when it does

[paulus 26]

The most up to date treatments will be those used in hospital to treat these things rather then a vet who as a surgeon is likely to be far less expert.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....lth/PMH0001505/

You will note from the link hyperkaelmia, high lighted under treatment, commonly known as high potassium is a dangerous result of muscle breakdown. I'm afraid kidney specialist know more than the average greyhound vet on the management of acute kidney damage as with rhabdomylysis.

So normal levels of electrolytes should be found in a decent diet, electrolyte loss through illness may need replacing but a healthy dogs is unlikely to have a deficit so supplements are literally pissed down the drain. When a dog is in a state of stress through hard work or collapse then adding in extra electrolytes, such as potassium, may do harm.

In conclusion if it make you feel better then a little electrolyte likely won’t hurt unless the dog has works hard and may have pushed its muscle a little to far..

 

Ps urban medicine is a bit like urban myths mainly harmless.

and how many greyhounds will this hospital and its experts see in a year

[paulus 26]

the reason i asked about crotine was this

Maltodextrin is a form of sugar. It is a actually a hydrolysate of starch, generally from potato starch, and is used in many energy boosting products, meal replacements, weight gainers and often as a type of filler in liquid sports drinks. Being an man made, altered form of sugar, it is actually quite a complex molecule, unlike simple sugars such as dextrose. Rated against the glycemic index maltodextrin shows a much slower release than typical sugar into the blood stream as glucose and so makes it a perfect choice for sustained liquid energy. In simple terms, all ingested carbohydrate enters our blood stream as glucose, where it is either used for energy, stored as glycogen in muscle cells or converted into triglycerides and stored as body fat. Only so much energy can be used up in a certain unit of time and only so much glucose can be stored within muscle cells until they are full. And so if a carbohydrate enters our system very fast and in a large quantity, our bodies release insulin to deposit the excess energy as stored fat to be used at a later time. If we can slow the release of the carbohydrate down this makes it much easier for the body to deal with, having small regular releases of copable amounts of glucose entering the system over a period of time. This stabilizes our energy levels, blood sugar levels and lowers the risk of gaining body fat. Typically a slow releasing carbohydrate such as maltodextrin can sustain energy release for a number of hours, fueling good workouts and feelings of fullness and good positive energy. This is why maltodextrin, being liquid, is clearly a better choice for the majority of good sports supplements rather than fast releasing high glycemic carbohydrates often found in cheap weight gainers or poorly processed proteins. The exception to this is often in good creatine transport systems where the main ingredient is dextose a fast release carbohydrate, however the reason for this is to force creatine into the muscle cell as fast as possible. Of course these type of drinks should generally be avoided if the goal is to reduce bodyfat levels.

[Giro 2,648]

Paulas i give mine two scoops of Maxie Muscle after a Run..

 

Before a good session ECA Stack :laugh:

[Good Man 196]

Folks, without doubt, Recharge, is the way to go when running dogs have been run hard ect.

This is from my experience from the passed with lamping dogs.

Some very good point here from Millet and Moscow.