Dazzam 239 Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 (edited) I know there was a lot of discussion/debate/arguments during the show season of Whippet and Whippet type lurchers. Was there any conclusion at to what way the races are going to be run this year to help alleviate a lot of the issues that came up last year or will it vary from show to show . Edited February 4, 2012 by Dazzam Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted February 4, 2012 Report Share Posted February 4, 2012 Hi Dazzam, The bottom line is that it's up to each individual show organiser. I've no doubt the same debates will rage on this year again, the main problem areas seemed to be the races where prize money was involved. I'd like to say that it can be left to the integrity of the individuals concerned but when your up against people who's argument is "I bought it as a whippet" or to someone who puts their dogs pedigree up for all to see, clearly containing greyhounds, and still insisting that the dog is a whippet, I don't know what the answer is. Even one race meeting who publicised that no dog would run without papers, they didn't even look for them! Janet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tango 221 Posted February 5, 2012 Report Share Posted February 5, 2012 I know there was a lot of discussion/debate/arguments during the show season of Whippet and Whippet type lurchers. Was there any conclusion at to what way the races are going to be run this year to help alleviate a lot of the issues that came up last year or will it vary from show to show . the mourne will have under21,under23 and over 23,straight racing,i will have measuring sticks there on the day,im sure if they dont argue about this theyll find something else 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pigsy 34 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I don't think it maters too much what you run as long as the the dog in question dos'nt win .This topic has run it's self out will never be sorted There is no solution that is going to please everyone . Tango is taking the right stance on this one.Lurcher racing is for lurchers . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Hi Dazzam, The bottom line is that it's up to each individual show organiser. I've no doubt the same debates will rage on this year again, the main problem areas seemed to be the races where prize money was involved. I'd like to say that it can be left to the integrity of the individuals concerned but when your up against people who's argument is "I bought it as a whippet" or to someone who puts their dogs pedigree up for all to see, clearly containing greyhounds, and still insisting that the dog is a whippet, I don't know what the answer is. Even one race meeting who publicised that no dog would run without papers, they didn't even look for them! Janet Janet, I introduced prize money to bring the terrier, lurchers and whippet competitions into line with our other competitions as we were receiving criticism that the terrier, lurcher and whippet prizes as supplied by the Mid Antrim Club ( although paid for by us) made TLW enthusiasts the 'poor relations' of the shows. Having responded positively to this, at quite a considerable cost to us, you now appear to be saying this is not what TLW owners want. Our current plans discussed at a planning meeting this morning do include an extended prize fund ( cash & product) and also additional classes /races to give more people an opportunity to win. However in these current difficult times I certainly don't want to be throwing investment at something that isn't wanted. Can I have views on this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Albert, I have re read my post and I can't for the life of me see where you draw the conclusion from that I'm saying the lurcher, terrier and whippet folk don't want prize money! I gave my opinion to Dazzam who I know personally, and I'm not going to be drawn into another endless series of posts going over the same thing. I agree with Pigsy on that one! My point was that the draw of the prize money brought certain dogs out that never appeared anywhere else, that's all. Janet 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Albert, I have re read my post and I can't for the life of me see where you draw the conclusion from that I'm saying the lurcher, terrier and whippet folk don't want prize money! I gave my opinion to Dazzam who I know personally, and I'm not going to be drawn into another endless series of posts going over the same thing. I agree with Pigsy on that one! My point was that the draw of the prize money brought certain dogs out that never appeared anywhere else, that's all. Janet Janet, Albert, I have re read my post and I can't for the life of me see where you draw the conclusion from that I'm saying the lurcher, terrier and whippet folk don't want prize money! I gave my opinion to Dazzam who I know personally, and I'm not going to be drawn into another endless series of posts going over the same thing. I agree with Pigsy on that one! My point was that the draw of the prize money brought certain dogs out that never appeared anywhere else, that's all. Janet Janet, I may have drawn the wrong inference from your post " the main problem areas seemed to be the races where prize money was involved". But you have raised an interesting point on prizes on which I would like yours and others' opinions - what would the TLW enthusiasts want as prizes? Albert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Albert, I think most people are delighted to win any prize. Last year at Shanes my whippet dog won best in hound group and Best in Show at the KC event run by the gundog club. I got 20 pounds for winning the group and for best in show we won a travel crate and cover supplied by Brian and Joan lyons. I still use the crate and I spent the money on a book! A few years ago I won the all ireland racing and got 50 pounds, have no idea where it went lol! It's up to each individual but I would prefer something I can keep, but that's just me! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AlbertJ 569 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 Albert, I think most people are delighted to win any prize. Last year at Shanes my whippet dog won best in hound group and Best in Show at the KC event run by the gundog club. I got 20 pounds for winning the group and for best in show we won a travel crate and cover supplied by Brian and Joan lyons. I still use the crate and I spent the money on a book! A few years ago I won the all ireland racing and got 50 pounds, have no idea where it went lol! It's up to each individual but I would prefer something I can keep, but that's just me! Janet, Thanks for your response. I hope to have a mix of cash and prizes for this years's events. Albert 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leeview 787 Posted February 6, 2012 Report Share Posted February 6, 2012 I know there was a lot of discussion/debate/arguments during the show season of Whippet and Whippet type lurchers. Was there any conclusion at to what way the races are going to be run this year to help alleviate a lot of the issues that came up last year or will it vary from show to show . the mourne will have under21,under23 and over 23,straight racing,i will have measuring sticks there on the day,im sure if they dont argue about this theyll find something else tango your straight racing measurements would these be for lurchers? or U21=whippets, U23=greyxwhip and over23=greys? Y.I.S Leeview Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tango 221 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 leeview, i cant prove or disprove the breeding of any racing dog at the show,i can have my own opinions but as a show organizer i have to do the best i can to suit everyone so all dogs racing will be put in their height class and raced,we will see how this works this year and if i can see where to make it better then i will.yis tango Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Leeview 787 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 leeview, i cant prove or disprove the breeding of any racing dog at the show,i can have my own opinions but as a show organizer i have to do the best i can to suit everyone so all dogs racing will be put in their height class and raced,we will see how this works this year and if i can see where to make it better then i will.yis tango Fair play to you tango so basically your having to rely on the competitors honesty Y.I.S Leeview Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dazzam 239 Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Here's a no brainer, over the course of the year:- Under 21" will be won by a non ped with greyhound blood Under 23" will be won by a non ped with greyhound blood Over 23" will be won by a non ped with greyhound blood or possibly an umarked greyhound In other words anyone who wants to compete at the lurcher racing needs to keep an eye on the K9 non ped section to see whats being bred 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest ladyjane Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 That's fair enough Kieran, but at the end of the day you're not actually running a race for whippets then, that's certainly one way of stopping the arguing lol!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tango 221 Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Here's a no brainer, over the course of the year:- Under 21" will be won by a non ped with greyhound blood Under 23" will be won by a non ped with greyhound blood Over 23" will be won by a non ped with greyhound blood or possibly an umarked greyhound In other words anyone who wants to compete at the lurcher racing needs to keep an eye on the K9 non ped section to see whats being bred daz can i ask what your goin to race this year mate 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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